stevenb

The vast majority of America doesn't understand that gun control laws only affect law abiding citizens. Do you think criminals who buy guns off the street really give a ---- about the law?

And if you want to delve into the meanings of our 2nd amendment... I don't believe you or myself are qualified to argue what they "thought".

My opinion is this: They wrote the 2nd amendment shortly after fighting a bloody civil war with a opressive government that forbid them from having weapons. Which in turn kept them from protecting themselves... or rising up against the government.

Hitler, Stalin and other's knew about gun control.... Read up on Hitler's view on gun control.... probably be amazed.

And at this point like I stated earlier... you can't "Undo" the fact that guns exist. Removing the rights to guns for legal law abiding citizens only puts guns in the hands of criminals who don't care about the law. Banning hi cap magazines might make everyone feel better.. but that still doesn't change the fact that a criminal who wants them.. will get them.

Gun control laws are not the solution to today's problems with violence. When will people learn this?

dragon

it doesn't make sense to you because your not listening or reading what i wrote.

never did i say i rather have 10-20-30-40 people die before police respond. the reason people got killed was because there was no real security in the school not because students or teacher didn't have a gun.

if there were armed security and the dumbasses at the school responded to the first shooting or better the papers the kids wrote this would have never have gotten this bad.

lets say if there was armed security..Kid went on a rampage and shot the first victim. the authority responded and took the kid out. ended more deaths.

the faculty responded to the kids papers and expelled the kids and took him to the right authority. 30 people woudl prob not have been killed.

you keep going on and on about students and teachers arming themselve when the real problem is the response and security on the campus. if that ---- happen in osu i garuntee 30 people wouldn't have been killed like that because there armed columbus cops everywhere. we both agree that even if kids armed themselves people still would have been killed. but your skipping over security as the first solution and just handed it over to students.

stevenb

Hate to break it to you dood.

It's a gun free zone. Meaning security cannot carry firearms on the campus. So what would have security been able to do? Tell him to stop shooting people sternly?

And yes, I'd hand over defending themselves to the students / faculty. If not the students, at least the faculty.

dragon

thats what i keep telling you there is no solution because there are people who aren't going to give a ---- if there is gun control or not people are stilling going to die. they aint going to give a ---- if you allow people to run around carrying guns that problem instigate them more.

hitler was smart but also a confused genocide tyrant i don't really care what "gun control views he has"

and you think no gun control is a solution to todays problems if thats the case why don't we allow other countries to go ahead and build nukes give them that right instead of constatly fighting for not allowing them to have nuclear weapons. I mean aint that the same thing? just because they build it doesn't mean they will use it on offense. No because its all out of fear and trust. we restrict because we fear thats whats its all about. So we take order and laws and what is and not allowed out of the simple fact of not fearing. If you allow people to walk around anywhere carrying guns there are people who going to be in constant fear

dragon

security would be the facutly. like I said what they should have done is allow the security to have guns not skip over them and allow students.

J-SMITH69

those are not crimes, i have never commited a crime in my life.

stevenb

I'm not even sure how to reply to this.

Alot of people carry guns daily, and they get into altercations as well. But they don't blow everyone away... so it's hard for me to believe that if we allowed more people to carry guns.. that it would explode into many people being shot on a daily basis.. because of "instigation".

Gun control is not the solution to today's problems. Do you realize the last crime committed with an actual assault weapon was like 15-20 years ago? Yet they're still legislating new laws on a pretty regular basis concerning "assault weapons". HR1022 is yet another knee jerk reaction.. banning hi cap magazines (any mag with > 6 rd capacity will fall under this law). The kid shot up a school with two handguns... how does that have any bearing on "assault weapons"?

You know New Jersey is banning .50 caliber rifles... under the guise that a terrorist could shoot a jetliner down with it. And the citizens of New Jersey being the sheeple they are are like.. "oh okay"... given the fact that a jet liner has never been shot down in the history of the world with a .50 caliber rifle... Not to mention the sheer difficulty and unlikelyhood of it happening in the first place. Nevermind the fact that California already has... even though there hasn't been a single crime committed in history with a .50 caliber rifle.

The government fears us, because we are armed. They fear us, because we could end their day and start over. Just like our government fears other countries who are building nuclear weapons... they are losing power in the world.. and they're scared.. that's why we've got our hands in so many cookie jars keeping other countries from developing these weapons.


Thomas Jefferson once said.. and it still applies to these times...

Those who are willing to sacrifice their liberties for safety, deserve neither safety nor liberty.

Tom-Guy

Ri-ight.

J-SMITH69

bd you are really an ignorant ---- on this subject, you're ruled by your emotions like a woman or a liberal.

you're saying people shouldn't be allowed to carry guns in public, thats what the 2nd amendment clearly states. maybe you should move to china.

gun control doesn't work which is obvious, because gun laws have become more strict and more strict over the last 50 years. and what has happend with gun violence? it has grow by leaps and bounds.

gun control does not work. it NEVER will work. especially in the US.

dragon

RS you've commited hate crimes which people who commit crimes are criminal so therefore your a criminal :P



and for stevenb allowing guns and going to solve anything its just give criminals more freedom. and since when people are trying to take over the government the government control by the people they need us to vote what are you talking about..

and btw..i was born and from jersey..thanks for referring to me as "sheeple"