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Old 04-20-2007, 12:40 PM
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Prove to me that material consumption and physical possessions provide happiness. And that you feel any differently about your life than you did now that you have certain things than when you didn't. This is temporary, what is making you happy is setting a goal for yourself slightly beyond your reach and achieving that goal. Once your goal has been met your structure of what you expect and what you expect to achieve shifts with your socioeconomic status. You can keep spending your whole life, you will never be complete, no matter how much you have of what you want, it will never be enough until you realise these things. I can not make you come to these realizations on your own. I can not make you develop yourself in such a way. You may slightly understand what I'm talking about now, or you may never get it. Most people don't, as I've come to realize over the years. Trust me though, this is no dream land.
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But the difference is that the pacifist is the most violent as they try and force their ways upon other people. Pople who belive so strong in their belifes are willing to kill other people. I'm not saying he is a killer in any way but I dont plan on forcing him to cary a gun. I'm just defending my rite to cary.

Peaceful demonstrations allways turn violent yet I have never seen violence come out of a NRA meeting.
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Old 04-20-2007, 12:47 PM
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Prove to me that material consumption and physical possessions provide happiness. And that you feel any differently about your life than you did now that you have certain things than when you didn't. This is temporary, what is making you happy is setting a goal for yourself slightly beyond your reach and achieving that goal. Once your goal has been met your structure of what you expect and what you expect to achieve shifts with your socioeconomic status. You can keep spending your whole life, you will never be complete, no matter how much you have of what you want, it will never be enough until you realise these things. I can not make you come to these realizations on your own. I can not make you develop yourself in such a way. You may slightly understand what I'm talking about now, or you may never get it. Most people don't, as I've come to realize over the years. Trust me though, this is no dream land.
People who say that money or material things cant buy you happiness have something else going on. Some people try and replace feelings with material items, I agree. Not everyone is that way though. Money and material things make me happy. I strive to have more. I'm not going to lie, my life is easy rite now. I'm banking money and plannning for the future. Soon I hope to start buying realestate. That is what drives me. Yes that makes me happy. Your perception of hapiness maynot be the same as mine. By the way you come off over th enet you seem like a very bitter person. I doubt becomming a billionare would make you happy. I dont mean to personally attack you. I'm just pointing out that you think you have people figured out in all you infinite wisdom but you dont. At least not me.
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http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=55288


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In March 1982, 25 years ago, the small town of Kennesaw – responding to a handgun ban in Morton Grove, Ill. – unanimously passed an ordinance requiring each head of household to own and maintain a gun. Since then, despite dire predictions of "Wild West" showdowns and increased violence and accidents, not a single resident has been involved in a fatal shooting – as a victim, attacker or defender.

The crime rate initially plummeted for several years after the passage of the ordinance, with the 2005 per capita crime rate actually significantly lower than it was in 1981, the year before passage of the law.

Prior to enactment of the law, Kennesaw had a population of just 5,242 but a crime rate significantly higher (4,332 per 100,000) than the national average (3,899 per 100,000). The latest statistics available – for the year 2005 – show the rate at 2,027 per 100,000. Meanwhile, the population has skyrocketed to 28,189.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:10 PM
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Thats a very vague study and doesn't make references to other changes in the town. Especially the fact that its home to a university which accounts for the majority of the towns population.

Nearly 20,000 commuter and residential students, including more than 1,700 from 136 countries, pursue their undergraduate and graduate studies at Kennesaw State. The student body is a mix of traditional and nontraditional students with an average age of 26. Approximately 20 percent of students are members of ethnic minorities.

Here's Yellow Springs Ohio:

Crime: The number of violent crimes recorded by the FBI in 2003 was 11. The number of murders and homicides was 0. The violent crime rate was 2.9 per 1,000 people.
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genIn...locIndex=17631

comparable town in size and also has a private university with a ban on guns in most public places and on campus.

Its very biased information and leaves out several other variables that could contribute to the lowered crime rate.


And why the edit?
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by BlackDragon
you guys keep jumping from one subject to another. I don't know how we got to this government ----. Who said to stop voting so the government will dissappear. The country was built on a democracy which needs a government which the government needs to people. so what your saying we need to get rid of the government and gun control laws??
No, you stated the "government needs us to vote" like we give them all their power.

They don't need ---- and are entirely self-sustaining.

Bottom line, most of this country is too dumb to be trusted with a gun. You are going to end up with mentally challenged, jumpy drug addicts, immature teens, wannabe gangstas etc shooting whenever they please. I can see how you'd want to be protected, but giving everyone guns won't solve anything. Like someone else stated, all the dumbasses showing off their "gats" would be annoying as ---- as well.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:23 PM
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Originally Posted by rawr
Thats a very vague study and doesn't make references to other changes in the town. Especially the fact that its home to a university which accounts for the majority of the towns population.


Here's Yellow Springs Ohio:
http://www.epodunk.com/cgi-bin/genIn...locIndex=17631

comparable town in size and also has a private university with a ban on guns in most public places and on campus.

Its very biased information and leaves out several other variables that could contribute to the lowered crime rate.


And why the edit?
Not really, they take two towns that enact gun laws in the same period of time.. Then show that the town that enacted a mandated carry or ownership law's crime rate decreased.. and their population increased. While the other that banned guns increased and their population decreased. I don't know how it's vague?

The edit was I found that article shortly after posting.
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Old 04-20-2007, 01:33 PM
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This is the last time im bringing this up..PEOPLE WON"T GO FOR THAT



stevenb I really dont think you even know what your arguing with me about. You keep bringing up things I never said or implied. Your assuming way too much and rambling about things that bothering you. As i stated

Originally Posted by BlackDragon
Im all for carrying protection but not in places were i've come to just learn.
I ment for places like school, churces, sport events, clubs,and jobs. Those are example i look as having guns in those places isn't necessary for the people it should be in strict control with the law. Now if you go driving around to your friends house, or anything in that matter for protections im all for it. I have guns and weapons for self protection or simply for the likeness of it but i would never take it to those places. I'm not going to show up to a graduation carrying a gun for that event because i need protections.




Originally Posted by stevenb
In America we have the freedom to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. I'll be damned if anyone is going to deny me any of that.
you are confused seriously. no one trying to take your life, liberty or happiness by having gun control. But people carrying guns prob take your life and happiness :P Your going on and on about things being taken away when simply they are being CONTROLED. I didn't know control gun in certain areas is making you feel like you have no life or happiness..there more to this world then that buddy let it go..


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bd, you said in one of your posts no one should be in public carrying a gun. that statement is what conflicts with the bill of rights.
RS what i ment was in certain environment which defeats the purpose of why its there. Never did i say i oppose bearing arms or not carrying guns. Im against having thousands of college kids being allowed to carry it in schools. Thats why we have security on campus which VT fucked up on. Instead of saying "---- the security lets have the students protect themselves and allow them to carry weapons all throughout school grounds with no authority." If thats the case why do we even need cops, swats, or military when we can just go ahead and protect ourselves. Because thats how the system is made up as and thats how we made our law.

And not everyone wants to go through the proper disciplne to train to carry and protect themselves on school grounds. if thats the case people will be signing left in right in the military.

There are thousands of kids going to that school and there is going to be a great number that just should't have a gun. Its a fact and even the military or police go through the process of background and mental test to makes sure they don't have a nutt case on there force. Because of the very situation like that. You allow students to carry guns they would have to go through the same thing and thats just not logical. And just allowing those who are able to carry guns in the school grounds people are unarmed are just going to fear them and its just be chaos. Im just looking at the big picture here and logical reason all that just not going to happen





seriously you keep fighting with me saying everyone should carry guns anywhere and im telling you the people would never allow it. Im just being truthfull and logical about it and telling you what actions took place when ---- like this happen. Your just fighting with me when im stating facts and assuming way too much.

They're not going to allow students and teacher to carry guns..the whole country wont be allow to carry guns anywhere..there still going to be control over that issue and wont change. Thats all i've been saying the whole time. Deal with it nobody going for that. If anything they will just tighten the security

when 911 happen did they allow passengers to come on the plane with weapons in case something like that happens again?

the problems pointed at the school not the gun control laws

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Old 04-20-2007, 01:37 PM
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It really is a vague story. In no way shape or form would that be accepted as an academic study.

Originally Posted by d16forlife
People who say that money or material things cant buy you happiness have something else going on. Some people try and replace feelings with material items, I agree. Not everyone is that way though. Money and material things make me happy. I strive to have more. I'm not going to lie, my life is easy rite now. I'm banking money and plannning for the future. Soon I hope to start buying realestate. That is what drives me. Yes that makes me happy. Your perception of hapiness maynot be the same as mine. By the way you come off over th enet you seem like a very bitter person. I doubt becomming a billionare would make you happy. I dont mean to personally attack you. I'm just pointing out that you think you have people figured out in all you infinite wisdom but you dont. At least not me.
You're right, becoming a billionaire would not make me happy. If I was a billionaire I would probably do things with the money ina way that they would benefit man kind in as many ways as possible, even if I had earned that money.

It's fine that money makes you happy, but have you ever questioned why it does?
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