virginia tech???
04-20-2007, 01:48 AM
#221
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
Did you go to college? I wouldn't trust 90% of the idiots in most of my classes with a handgun. Allowing a large assembly to carry firearms (especially when they're in their early 20's) is probably the dumbest thing you could do. Sure, it *might* have made a difference in this case (assuming the person with the firearm wasn't a complete ****** like you), but you fail to see the heightened probability of more shootings. Bottom line - you like ---- up your *** and I can't take anything a ****** says seriously. You're a joke.
Wow... your arguments against mine makes you seem so... "educated".
Yes I went to college. I noticed the same immaturity as you. But you know what? I see that from people who have graduated college as well. So should we take guns away from everyone... cause a few people are immature?
I understand your guns are for pussies statement. But, there is nothing we can do about the gun being in existence.. we can't magic the ---- back out of existence now. And to keep people from protecting themselves while not providing adequate protection for them is a pretty selfish and short sighted policy. It's one of the reasons that there were 32 deaths instead of 3 or 4.
04-20-2007, 01:51 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by BlackDragon
your assuming way too much. you make it sound like you know the kid and his motive. he shot the school because he was unstable and he didn't give a ---- dumbass.
and your only a criminal when your caught if not your a murderer.
if i own a house it my property. I have the right to say and do in my own property.
stop making excuses why he shot the place and just using the GUN FREE zone as an excuse so you can allow it to be a place were they can carry guns. you got your rights and morals all mix up kid
and your only a criminal when your caught if not your a murderer.
if i own a house it my property. I have the right to say and do in my own property.
stop making excuses why he shot the place and just using the GUN FREE zone as an excuse so you can allow it to be a place were they can carry guns. you got your rights and morals all mix up kid
I'm sorry, when did the issue of the second amendment guarantee'ing citizens of the United States the right to bear arms get any less clear?
So you're telling us, that you'd rather see 20-30 people dead before police respond to an incident and save face amidst all the anti-gun media and others... than allow those who chose to carry to school to carry (exercising their 2nd amendment rights)?
I think it is you who has your morals mixed up.
But you are right about your house.. You do have the right to not allow anyone on your property with a weapon... that is a choice you can make.. because it affects you and your family.
It doesn't affect 32+ students... and their families.
04-20-2007, 01:53 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by stevenb
Wow... your arguments against mine make you seem so... "educated".
Yes I went to college. I noticed the same immaturity as you. But you know what? I see that from people who have graduated college as well. So should we take guns away from everyone... cause a few people are immature?
I understand your guns are for pussies statement. But, there is nothing we can do about the gun being in existence.. we can't magic the ---- back out of existence now. And to keep people from protecting themselves while not providing adequate protection for them is a pretty selfish and short sighted policy. It's one of the reasons that there were 32 deaths instead of 3 or 4.
and the population in this country is more than a few immature people take along with people who aren't experiance. Nobody here is saying no one has the right to protect themselves( or saying take guns away at all)..the arguement is saying allowing students to carry weapons in school. I don't give a ---- if its in your house or on the street but in public places like that shouldn't be allowed.
04-20-2007, 01:56 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by BlackDragon
all your example are base on assumption. how do you know they kid would just take out 3-4 students for all we know it could be more. he knew what he was doing for all we know he could take out more kids who even had a gun.
and the population in this country is more than a few immature people take along with people who aren't experiance. Nobody here is saying no one has the right to protect themselves( or saying take guns away at all)..the arguement is saying allowing students to carry weapons in school. I don't give a ---- if its in your house or on the street but in public places like that shouldn't be allowed.
and the population in this country is more than a few immature people take along with people who aren't experiance. Nobody here is saying no one has the right to protect themselves( or saying take guns away at all)..the arguement is saying allowing students to carry weapons in school. I don't give a ---- if its in your house or on the street but in public places like that shouldn't be allowed.
Still your argument doesn't make sense. You'd rather have 10-20-30-40 people die before the police respond... to save face... rather than allowing people to be able to protect themselves in a situation such as this?
04-20-2007, 02:00 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by stevenb
Wow... your arguments against mine make you seem so... "educated".
Yes I went to college. I noticed the same immaturity as you. But you know what? I see that from people who have graduated college as well. So should we take guns away from everyone... cause a few people are immature?
I understand your guns are for pussies statement. But, there is nothing we can do about the gun being in existence.. we can't magic the ---- back out of existence now. And to keep people from protecting themselves while not providing adequate protection for them is a pretty selfish and short sighted policy. It's one of the reasons that there were 32 deaths instead of 3 or 4.
Now I believe that people should be allowed to conceal and carry. I believe that in a situation that happens as seldom as this it would have seemed like a good idea. Bottom line is that due to the high level of concentration, inexperience and idiocy in a college scenario, I think it would do more harm than good.
04-20-2007, 02:02 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
I do agree that the deaths should have stopped after the two at the dorm. That's a fault on how the school dealt with the situation. Maybe that's hindsight talking, but it makes sense. 2 hours seems like plenty of time to lock down campus. Hell, there was a bomb threat at the UofM on Wednesday and that ---- was on lock down (cops, helicopters, etc) within 30 minutes.
Now I believe that people should be allowed to conceal and carry. I believe that in a situation that happens as seldom as this it would have seemed like a good idea. Bottom line is that due to the high level of concentration, inexperience and idiocy in a college scenario, I think it would do more harm than good.
Now I believe that people should be allowed to conceal and carry. I believe that in a situation that happens as seldom as this it would have seemed like a good idea. Bottom line is that due to the high level of concentration, inexperience and idiocy in a college scenario, I think it would do more harm than good.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree.
They also didn't believe it would come to the campus, but it did. They made a lot of mistakes that day.. and I think legally they're going to be under the burner for a while when parents start suing them for negligence.
Even if they were to not allow students to carry weapons... but allowed faculty (that wanted to).. to carry weapons. The whole situation would have had a different outcome.
04-20-2007, 02:12 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
"....it means, 'a whale's vagina'"
"umm, no...I think it means, Saint Diego"
"...no"
"no, that's what it means"
"well...agree to disagree"
that was a poor paraphrasing btw
my biggest fear about opening up cw access to everyone is a point that was made much earlier in the thread:
an ignorant, scared person with a gun is more likely to shoot somebody unnecessarily I think. some sheltered white people are pretty much scared shitless of mildly "ghetto"-looking black people.
and seeing punk kids acting all hard with their "gat" would just be plain annoying.
"umm, no...I think it means, Saint Diego"
"...no"
"no, that's what it means"
"well...agree to disagree"
that was a poor paraphrasing btw
my biggest fear about opening up cw access to everyone is a point that was made much earlier in the thread:
an ignorant, scared person with a gun is more likely to shoot somebody unnecessarily I think. some sheltered white people are pretty much scared shitless of mildly "ghetto"-looking black people.
and seeing punk kids acting all hard with their "gat" would just be plain annoying.
04-20-2007, 02:20 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
The rights guaranteed by the Constitution have never been absolute. It is doubtful that the Founding Fathers envisioned a time when over 30,000 people are dying from gun violence a year, when high-power military-style weapons like AK-47's with 30-round magazines are available on the streets, when an 14-year-old can take his father's guns and mow down his classmates, or when parents leave a loaded pistol around and a two-year-old can easily fire it. The vast majority of the American people support reasonable gun control laws and view them as necessary to reduce the level of gun violence in this country. The framers of the Constitution would surely agree.
"A well-regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
and its known for people to take to there own assumptions on what the bill of rights states. People just twisted the original meaning of what the four fathers stated at that time then how obvisouly things have greatly changed now.
04-20-2007, 02:23 AM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by random-strike
such as?
I'll bet your three and four wheeling activities are in violation of a public noise ordinance, as well.
RANDOM-STRIKE, YOU ARE A CRIMINAL!!!1
