virginia tech???
04-20-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Jorsher
No, you stated the "government needs us to vote" like we give them all their power.
They don't need ---- and are entirely self-sustaining.
Bottom line, most of this country is too dumb to be trusted with a gun. You are going to end up with mentally challenged, jumpy drug addicts, immature teens, wannabe gangstas etc shooting whenever they please. I can see how you'd want to be protected, but giving everyone guns won't solve anything. Like someone else stated, all the dumbasses showing off their "gats" would be annoying as ---- as well.
They don't need ---- and are entirely self-sustaining.
Bottom line, most of this country is too dumb to be trusted with a gun. You are going to end up with mentally challenged, jumpy drug addicts, immature teens, wannabe gangstas etc shooting whenever they please. I can see how you'd want to be protected, but giving everyone guns won't solve anything. Like someone else stated, all the dumbasses showing off their "gats" would be annoying as ---- as well.
Democracies are governments where the people as a whole hold political power. It may be exercised by them (direct democracy), or through representatives chosen by them (representative democracy).
Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the exercise of popular sovereignty by the people's representatives. The representatives are charged with the responsibility of acting in the people's interest, but not as their proxy representatives—i.e., not necessarily always according to their wishes, but with enough authority to exercise swift and resolute initiative in the face of changing circumstances. It is often contrasted with direct democracy, where representatives are absent or are limited in power as proxy representatives.
The representatives are chosen by the majority of the voters (as opposed to the majority of the population/eligible voters) in free, secret-ballot, multi-party elections. While existing representative democracies hold such elections to choose representatives, in theory other methods, such as sortition (more closely aligned with direct democracy), could be used instead. Also, representatives sometimes hold the power to select other representatives, presidents, or other officers of government (indirect representation). For example, the election of the President of the United States involves the Electoral College, and in many parliamentary systems the head of government is usually the leader of the party or coalition in the majority, and is not specifically designated by the electorate.
Direct democracy, classically termed pure democracy,[1] comprises a form of democracy and theory of civics wherein sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. Depending on the particular system, this assembly might pass executive motions (decrees), make law, elect and dismiss officials and conduct trials. Where the assembly elected officials, these were executive agents or direct representatives (bound to the will of the people). In a representative democracy sovereignty is exercised by a subset of the people, elected periodically, but otherwise free to advance their own agendas.
It also deals with how citizens are "directly" involved with voting for various laws, instead of voting for representative to decide for them.
Representative democracy is a form of government founded on the exercise of popular sovereignty by the people's representatives. The representatives are charged with the responsibility of acting in the people's interest, but not as their proxy representatives—i.e., not necessarily always according to their wishes, but with enough authority to exercise swift and resolute initiative in the face of changing circumstances. It is often contrasted with direct democracy, where representatives are absent or are limited in power as proxy representatives.
The representatives are chosen by the majority of the voters (as opposed to the majority of the population/eligible voters) in free, secret-ballot, multi-party elections. While existing representative democracies hold such elections to choose representatives, in theory other methods, such as sortition (more closely aligned with direct democracy), could be used instead. Also, representatives sometimes hold the power to select other representatives, presidents, or other officers of government (indirect representation). For example, the election of the President of the United States involves the Electoral College, and in many parliamentary systems the head of government is usually the leader of the party or coalition in the majority, and is not specifically designated by the electorate.
Direct democracy, classically termed pure democracy,[1] comprises a form of democracy and theory of civics wherein sovereignty is lodged in the assembly of all citizens who choose to participate. Depending on the particular system, this assembly might pass executive motions (decrees), make law, elect and dismiss officials and conduct trials. Where the assembly elected officials, these were executive agents or direct representatives (bound to the will of the people). In a representative democracy sovereignty is exercised by a subset of the people, elected periodically, but otherwise free to advance their own agendas.
It also deals with how citizens are "directly" involved with voting for various laws, instead of voting for representative to decide for them.
04-20-2007, 01:45 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by rawr
You're right, becoming a billionaire would not make me happy. If I was a billionaire I would probably do things with the money ina way that they would benefit man kind in as many ways as possible, even if I had earned that money.
Becoming a billionaire would make me happy. I would do the only thing possible to benefit mankind with my money - I would pay a high wage to talented people and invest in their education so that both they and I could make even more money.
Notice I say "make" implying production, as in create a material (or intellectual) product of real value. None of this obscene money in the bank collecting interest you live off of "making money" that all the Trust fund idiots do.
04-20-2007, 01:46 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by BlackDragon
This is the last time im bringing this up..PEOPLE WON"T GO FOR THAT
stevenb I really dont think you even know what your arguing with me about. You keep bringing up things I never said or implied. Your assuming way too much and rambling about things that bothering you. As i stated
I ment for places like school, churces, sport events, clubs,and jobs. Those are example i look as having guns in those places isn't necessary for the people it should be in strict control with the law. Now if you go driving around to your friends house, or anything in that matter for protections im all for it. I have guns and weapons for self protection or simply for the likeness of it but i would never take it to those places. I'm not going to show up to a graduation carrying a gun for that event because i need protections.
you are confused seriously. no one trying to take your life, liberty or happiness by having gun control. But people carrying guns prob take your life and happiness :P Your going on and on about things being taken away when simply they are being CONTROLED. I didn't know control gun in certain areas is making you feel like you have no life or happiness..there more to this world then that buddy let it go..
RS what i ment was in certain environment which defeats the purpose of why its there. Never did i say i oppose bearing arms or not carrying guns. Im against having thousands of college kids being allowed to carry it in schools. Thats why we have security on campus which VT fucked up on. Instead of saying "---- the security lets have the students protect themselves and allow them to carry weapons all throughout school grounds with no authority." If thats the case why do we even need cops, swats, or military when we can just go ahead and protect ourselves. Because thats how the system is made up as and thats how we made our law.
And not everyone wants to go through the proper disciplne to train to carry and protect themselves on school grounds. if thats the case people will be signing left in right in the military.
There are thousands of kids going to that school and there is going to be a great number that just should't have a gun. Its a fact and even the military or police go through the process of background and mental test to makes sure they don't have a nutt case on there force. Because of the very situation like that. You allow students to carry guns they would have to go through the same thing and thats just not logical. And just allowing those who are able to carry guns in the school grounds people are unarmed are just going to fear them and its just be chaos. Im just looking at the big picture here and logical reason all that just not going to happen
seriously you keep fighting with me saying everyone should carry guns anywhere and im telling you the people would never allow it. Im just being truthfull and logical about it and telling you what actions took place when ---- like this happen. Your just fighting with me when im stating facts and assuming way too much.
They're not going to allow students and teacher to carry guns..the whole country wont be allow to carry guns anywhere..there still going to be control over that issue and wont change. Thats all i've been saying the whole time. Deal with it nobody going for that. If anything they will just tighten the security
when 911 happen did they allow passengers to come on the plane with weapons in case something like that happens again?
the problems pointed at the school not the gun control laws
stevenb I really dont think you even know what your arguing with me about. You keep bringing up things I never said or implied. Your assuming way too much and rambling about things that bothering you. As i stated
I ment for places like school, churces, sport events, clubs,and jobs. Those are example i look as having guns in those places isn't necessary for the people it should be in strict control with the law. Now if you go driving around to your friends house, or anything in that matter for protections im all for it. I have guns and weapons for self protection or simply for the likeness of it but i would never take it to those places. I'm not going to show up to a graduation carrying a gun for that event because i need protections.
you are confused seriously. no one trying to take your life, liberty or happiness by having gun control. But people carrying guns prob take your life and happiness :P Your going on and on about things being taken away when simply they are being CONTROLED. I didn't know control gun in certain areas is making you feel like you have no life or happiness..there more to this world then that buddy let it go..
RS what i ment was in certain environment which defeats the purpose of why its there. Never did i say i oppose bearing arms or not carrying guns. Im against having thousands of college kids being allowed to carry it in schools. Thats why we have security on campus which VT fucked up on. Instead of saying "---- the security lets have the students protect themselves and allow them to carry weapons all throughout school grounds with no authority." If thats the case why do we even need cops, swats, or military when we can just go ahead and protect ourselves. Because thats how the system is made up as and thats how we made our law.
And not everyone wants to go through the proper disciplne to train to carry and protect themselves on school grounds. if thats the case people will be signing left in right in the military.
There are thousands of kids going to that school and there is going to be a great number that just should't have a gun. Its a fact and even the military or police go through the process of background and mental test to makes sure they don't have a nutt case on there force. Because of the very situation like that. You allow students to carry guns they would have to go through the same thing and thats just not logical. And just allowing those who are able to carry guns in the school grounds people are unarmed are just going to fear them and its just be chaos. Im just looking at the big picture here and logical reason all that just not going to happen
seriously you keep fighting with me saying everyone should carry guns anywhere and im telling you the people would never allow it. Im just being truthfull and logical about it and telling you what actions took place when ---- like this happen. Your just fighting with me when im stating facts and assuming way too much.
They're not going to allow students and teacher to carry guns..the whole country wont be allow to carry guns anywhere..there still going to be control over that issue and wont change. Thats all i've been saying the whole time. Deal with it nobody going for that. If anything they will just tighten the security
when 911 happen did they allow passengers to come on the plane with weapons in case something like that happens again?
the problems pointed at the school not the gun control laws
Alot of what you just quoted me... on.. I'm not even responding to you. I'm responding to rawr or whatever in regards to his "possessions don't make you" reponses to us.
As far as the one thing you're right about... I concede... the maturity level of most college students isn't very great.. but that doesn't change the fact that the faculty could be armed.. and respond in a quicker time than security could.
You'll notice when I'm addressing you.. because I'll quote your statements.
04-20-2007, 01:50 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
yes masta! want me to clean your shoes for you too masta! :P
well im glad your seeing the student thing but security can be part of the faculty too. I wouldn't want my teacher to have a gun. You know how many times i make fun of them?? :1
well im glad your seeing the student thing but security can be part of the faculty too. I wouldn't want my teacher to have a gun. You know how many times i make fun of them?? :1
04-20-2007, 01:52 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
That's immature, rawr.
Becoming a billionaire would make me happy. I would do the only thing possible to benefit mankind with my money - I would pay a high wage to talented people and invest in their education so that both they and I could make even more money.
Notice I say "make" implying production, as in create a material (or intellectual) product of real value. None of this obscene money in the bank collecting interest you live off of "making money" that all the Trust fund idiots do.
Becoming a billionaire would make me happy. I would do the only thing possible to benefit mankind with my money - I would pay a high wage to talented people and invest in their education so that both they and I could make even more money.
Notice I say "make" implying production, as in create a material (or intellectual) product of real value. None of this obscene money in the bank collecting interest you live off of "making money" that all the Trust fund idiots do.
04-20-2007, 01:59 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by rawr
It's fine that money makes you happy, but have you ever questioned why it does?
Spending money makes me happy!! I'm sory if you dont understand that but. I dont do it to show off and I'm not flashy. But I am very proud of what I have. I will not shoot anyone unless they harm me or my family. Material items come and go. If some one wants what I have they need to work hard and earn it. ryr to take what I have and you will die trying or I will die defending it. Plain and simple!
I currently have my son on a reward system. He goes to school and every day he srtives to bring me back a happy face. Him receieving it is based on behavier and scholastic performance. I pay him $1 for every happy face. That is a dollar a day. He does not recieve an allowence. I have told him that school is his job and his payment is based on performance. He buys his own toys and knows what it means to work hard to earn that paper. If my father would of done that with me I would of gone on to college and I would be bettrer off than I allready am whithout a college degree. But I had to work very hard to get here and I'll be dammed if some low life will take that from me.
So you see I dont fear for my life
. I fear for someone who refuses to work as hard as me taking my way of life. If I lose it because of a bad finacial move it will only make me stronger(it has happend before). I just refuse to lose it to another low life *** human.
04-20-2007, 02:03 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Becoming a billionaire would make me happy. I would do the only thing possible to benefit mankind with my money - I would pay a high wage to talented people and invest in their education so that both they and I could make even more money.
Notice I say "make" implying production, as in create a material (or intellectual) product of real value. None of this obscene money in the bank collecting interest you live off of "making money" that all the Trust fund idiots do.
Notice I say "make" implying production, as in create a material (or intellectual) product of real value. None of this obscene money in the bank collecting interest you live off of "making money" that all the Trust fund idiots do.
I have a cleaning lady that I pay very well to clean my house once a week. I give her a christmas and end of year bonus. My wife did her taxes for free. I help people whenever I can. Hell, my sons after school teacher(a college kid) stayed at my house for a week because she couldnt fly home for break and the dorms were closed and I still payed her to watch my son. I'm not bragging. I'm just pointing out that I'm not an -------. I try and help when I can as long as th eperson who I'm helping isnt a dead beat lazy looser. I belive in Karma and I try to treat people they way I like to be treated.
04-20-2007, 02:17 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by d16forlife
I agree 100% with his comment. I would do the same.
I have a cleaning lady that I pay very well to clean my house once a week. I give her a christmas and end of year bonus. My wife did her taxes for free. I help people whenever I can. Hell, my sons after school teacher(a college kid) stayed at my house for a week because she couldnt fly home for break and the dorms were closed and I still payed her to watch my son. I'm not bragging. I'm just pointing out that I'm not an -------. I try and help when I can as long as th eperson who I'm helping isnt a dead beat lazy looser. I belive in Karma and I try to treat people they way I like to be treated.
I have a cleaning lady that I pay very well to clean my house once a week. I give her a christmas and end of year bonus. My wife did her taxes for free. I help people whenever I can. Hell, my sons after school teacher(a college kid) stayed at my house for a week because she couldnt fly home for break and the dorms were closed and I still payed her to watch my son. I'm not bragging. I'm just pointing out that I'm not an -------. I try and help when I can as long as th eperson who I'm helping isnt a dead beat lazy looser. I belive in Karma and I try to treat people they way I like to be treated.
Dead on.
You are dead on with my beliefs. ^5
04-20-2007, 02:27 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by BlackDragon
so we don't live in a democracy...
I don't see why you can't understand that we don't have much, if any, control over the government. Of course they aren't going to tell you that you don't have jack ---- for control, then there would be some upset people.
Topic is gun control. Your votes aren't ----.
04-20-2007, 11:31 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Jesus, make it stop.
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