virginia tech???
04-20-2007, 12:13 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Training or not, these are still early 20's gun-ho college students who are drunk more than half the time. Sure maybe only 10% of college students that are issued a permit to carry may be like this, but it only takes one person to kill many others.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
04-20-2007, 12:20 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by rawr
You're putting words in my mouth, I did not say training. Training doesn't prepare you for action in a hostile environment. Training does not control your fight or flight response. Its personal development and personality characteristics that control your fight or flight response to a hostile environment. You can train and train all you want but that doesn't mean ---- when it comes down to it.
You're sitting chained to the chair looking at the shadows cast on the wall. I can not possibly explain this to you as you think what you immediately perceive is reality. It's allot of ---- to grasp and once, and I know I'm being slightly pretentious but I don't think you're at that stage of realization yet. And yes, you are scared, your self preservation, your castle, your possessions, you fear to loose them, you fear to go back to that environment that you were in before. You fear for your fiscal safety, you fear for your social status, you fear for your life.
You're sitting chained to the chair looking at the shadows cast on the wall. I can not possibly explain this to you as you think what you immediately perceive is reality. It's allot of ---- to grasp and once, and I know I'm being slightly pretentious but I don't think you're at that stage of realization yet. And yes, you are scared, your self preservation, your castle, your possessions, you fear to loose them, you fear to go back to that environment that you were in before. You fear for your fiscal safety, you fear for your social status, you fear for your life.
04-20-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
"Guns don't kill people, people kill people!"
I could just as easily kill you with a hammer... Should we ban those too?
You realize that more people die of intentional vehicle misuse than guns every year right? Should we ban those too?
04-20-2007, 12:23 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
Training or not, these are still early 20's gun-ho college students who are drunk more than half the time. Sure maybe only 10% of college students that are issued a permit to carry may be like this, but it only takes one person to kill many others.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
Who here has never had a ------- drink and jumped behind the wheel not even thinking about the reprocussions?
SOme of you ----------ers are real hipocrits
04-20-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by stevenb
Fixed.
I could just as easily kill you with a hammer... Should we ban those too?
You realize that more people die of intentional vehicle misuse than guns every year right? Should we ban those too?
I could just as easily kill you with a hammer... Should we ban those too?
You realize that more people die of intentional vehicle misuse than guns every year right? Should we ban those too?
04-20-2007, 12:25 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
Training or not, these are still early 20's gun-ho college students who are drunk more than half the time. Sure maybe only 10% of college students that are issued a permit to carry may be like this, but it only takes one person to kill many others.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
I've seen first hand what a 21 year old college student who had a permit to carry can do. He was a member of Sigma Nu last year when I rushed. He got drunk as hell, some guy was just talking with his girlfriend. They went outside to "talk," and the other guy ended up face first into the concrete with a gun pointed at his head. Lucky there were about 9 other guys there, all bigger than he to help calm him down.
I've seen the same, so I can agree. I do believe they are still being denied their constitutional rights. Still doesn't change the fact that the faculty could be armed.
A security guard will respond quickly.. but probably not as quickly as a teacher in the classroom who is armed.. or a teacher from an adjacent classroom.
04-20-2007, 12:30 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by rawr
You're putting words in my mouth, I did not say training. Training doesn't prepare you for action in a hostile environment. Training does not control your fight or flight response. Its personal development and personality characteristics that control your fight or flight response to a hostile environment. You can train and train all you want but that doesn't mean ---- when it comes down to it.
You're sitting chained to the chair looking at the shadows cast on the wall. I can not possibly explain this to you as you think what you immediately perceive is reality. It's allot of ---- to grasp and once, and I know I'm being slightly pretentious but I don't think you're at that stage of realization yet. And yes, you are scared, your self preservation, your castle, your possessions, you fear to loose them, you fear to go back to that environment that you were in before. You fear for your fiscal safety, you fear for your social status, you fear for your life.
You're sitting chained to the chair looking at the shadows cast on the wall. I can not possibly explain this to you as you think what you immediately perceive is reality. It's allot of ---- to grasp and once, and I know I'm being slightly pretentious but I don't think you're at that stage of realization yet. And yes, you are scared, your self preservation, your castle, your possessions, you fear to loose them, you fear to go back to that environment that you were in before. You fear for your fiscal safety, you fear for your social status, you fear for your life.
As everyone should be. This isn't some fairytale, and some mystical being is going to be there to protect us when someone else would like to deny us our lives. I worked my *** off to not be poor, and to have nice things to enjoy. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone take what I've achieved and destroy my life and my legacy.
In America we have the freedom to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. I'll be damned if anyone is going to deny me any of that.
04-20-2007, 12:34 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by stevenb
As everyone should be. This isn't some fairytale, and some mystical being is going to be there to protect us when someone else would like to deny us our lives. I worked my *** off to not be poor, and to have nice things to enjoy. I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone take what I've achieved and destroy my life and my legacy.
In America we have the freedom to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. I'll be damned if anyone is going to deny me any of that.
People like you I and take pride in what we have and are willing to defend it from being taken. Some one who is given things or has nothing would know nothing about pride of ownership.
04-20-2007, 12:37 PM
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Re: virginia tech???
Originally Posted by d16forlife
You cant explain that to a bitter virgen with no life. You have to have possesions to be protective of them.
But I don't believe that he should be able to inflict his point of views on everyone who believes otherwise. Nor do I believe that we should be able to impose our views on them. But we can't change the fact that guns and violence already exist. And we can't make people be nicer, and not homocidal.
A compromise would be best.. but neither side will ever back down from their vision of a "perfect world".
