Originally Posted by BlackDragon

right..

Originally Posted by Military Commission Act

The Act changes pre-existing law to explicitly forbid the invocation of the Geneva Conventions when executing the writ of habeas corpus or in other civil actions [Act sec. 5(a)]. This provision applies to all cases pending at the time the Act is enacted, as well as to all such future cases.

If the government chooses to bring a prosecution against the detainee, a military commission is convened for this purpose. The following rules are some of those established for trying alien unlawful enemy combatants.

‘‘(b) NOTICE TO ACCUSED.—Upon the swearing of the charges and specifications in accordance with subsection (a), the accused shall be informed of the charges against him as soon as practicable.

* A civilian defense attorney may not be used unless the attorney has been determined to be eligible for access to classified information that is classified at the level Secret or higher. [10 U.S.C. sec. 949c(b)(3)(D)]

* A finding of Guilty by a particular commission requires only a two-thirds majority of the members of the commission present at the time the vote is taken [10 U.S.C. sec. 949m(a)]

* In General- No person may invoke the Geneva Conventions or any protocols thereto in any habeas corpus or other civil action or proceeding to which the United States, or a current or former officer, employee, member of the Armed Forces, or other agent of the United States is a party as a source of rights in any court of the United States or its States or territories. [Act sec. 5(a)]

* As provided by the Constitution and by this section, the President has the authority for the United States to interpret the meaning and application of the Geneva Conventions and to promulgate higher standards and administrative regulations for violations of treaty obligations which are not grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions. [Act sec. 6(a)(3)(A)]

* No person may, without his consent, be tried by a military commission under this chapter a second time for the same offense. [10 U.S.C. sec. 949h(a)].

The Act also contains provisions (often referred to as the "habeas provisions") removing access to the courts for any alien detained by the United States government who is determined to be an enemy combatant, or who is 'awaiting determination' regarding enemy combatant status. This allows the United States government to detain such aliens indefinitely without prosecuting them in any manner.

These provisions are as follows:[5]

(e)(1) No court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider an application for a writ of habeas corpus filed by or on behalf of an alien detained by the United States who has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination. (2) Except as provided in paragraphs (2) and (3) of section 1005(e) of the Detainee Treatment Act of 2005 (10 U.S.C. 801 note), no court, justice, or judge shall have jurisdiction to hear or consider any other action against the United States or its agents relating to any aspect of the detention, transfer, treatment, trial, or conditions of confinement of an alien who is or was detained by the United States and has been determined by the United States to have been properly detained as an enemy combatant or is awaiting such determination.

Originally Posted by stevenb

Explain to me how I'm wrong?

Hr1022 is founded by what... OMG a LIBERAL?

Originally Posted by rawr

You made a blanket generalization then said its for hippy's and fagots :1


Lets sum this up

People who constantly fear others and for their own personal safty to the point where they feel they need to carry a hand gun are wack jobs. As noted by stevenb.

Law abiding citizens can go ape ---- even after they've purchased a gun legaly, stop pretending like you're going to be there armed and ready to drop someone who's going on a shooting spree. Do you even understand how that would turn out? If 6-8 kids out of that 32 had hand guns it would have just caused a full scale gun fight and mass confusion, no ones going to be able to identify the original shooter within the first few shots fired. The guy who gets off the second shot may very well be seen as a threat by other people carrying and ---- hits the fan.

The problem with this world is conservative douche bags who always fear for their own safety, their possessions and their ideology of society to the point where they feel they have to impose on others life's to maintain their little world of bullshit. You are the same people in every country, in every war, and in every conflict. You all completely lack the ability to see this and it amazes me. You call liberals fagots and -----'s, but we're the ones willing to die for peace, you're the fagots and -----'s for feeling you need to impose death, fear and ideology's onto others to sustain your shitty little delusional life style.

Originally Posted by rawr

People who constantly fear others and for their own personal safty to the point where they feel they need to carry a hand gun are wack jobs.

Originally Posted by rawr

Law abiding citizens can go ape ---- even after they've purchased a gun legaly, stop pretending like you're going to be there armed and ready to drop someone who's going on a shooting spree. Do you even understand how that would turn out? If 6-8 kids out of that 32 had hand guns it would have just caused a full scale gun fight and mass confusion, no ones going to be able to identify the original shooter within the first few shots fired. The guy who gets off the second shot may very well be seen as a threat by other people carrying and ---- hits the fan.

Originally Posted by rawr

The problem with this world is conservative douche bags who always fear for their own safety, their possessions and their ideology of society to the point where they feel they have to impose on others life's to maintain their little world of bullshit. You are the same people in every country, in every war, and in every conflict. You all completely lack the ability to see this and it amazes me. You call liberals fagots and -----'s, but we're the ones willing to die for peace, you're the fagots and -----'s for feeling you need to impose death, fear and ideology's onto others to sustain your shitty little delusional life style.

Originally Posted by stevenb

You ever watch the news?

If you did... you'd quickly learn that the world around you isn't quite as trustworthy as you'd like to believe.

Originally Posted by stevenb

And, for the record. I'm not a conservative, nor am I a liberal.

I think both party recognitions are ------- retarded and dividing this country.

Originally Posted by stevenb

You ever watch the news?


Fine, you can die in the name of peace. While you watch your gf get gang raped and a couple black doods cut your dick off.. shoot you, then light you on fire... all within eyeshot of your gf that's getting raped.

I refuse to become a victim of senseless violent crime, and I am willing to shoot someone who tries to make me such.

Originally Posted by stevenb

I still don't understand how you guys assume that it would have been mass hysteria.. this that and the other things. Even if it were only the faculty that was armed.. it's pretty easy to tell a faculty member from a student.. and even then.. they're "Considerably more mature" than the college kids... given your guy's argument.

Full scale gun fight... lol... I bet you think if we armed the rest of the population we'd have some ---- straight out of mad max happening in our cities.

Originally Posted by stevenb

Full scale gun fight... lol... I bet you think if we armed the rest of the population we'd have some ---- straight out of mad max happening in our cities.

Originally Posted by rawr

by allowing the whole school to arm themselfs you're allowing a significant population who isn't able to make a logical assessment in a critical situation and are liable to make emotional based decisions have the power to control the fate of those around them. Most people do not stay cool in a hostile environment, it takes a pretty aloof/apathetic developed person to do so.

Originally Posted by d16forlife

No one is talking about arming people with no training. I think a person who has a permit grew up around guns, respects them and defenitly knows how to use them. The rest is just instinct.