john_anderson_ii

The libertarian party endorses Ron Paul's candidacy to the extent that they will not run a nominee if Ron Paul gets the republican nomination.


Non-interventionism is not isolationism! Non-interventionism keeps the government out of foreign affairs while allowing the free market. There is a big difference. The foreign policy we currently have is the result of democrats and neocons, whom you claim to hate. If you like our current foreign policy so much, them you are agreeing the every democrat since Wilson that it is the right foreign policy to have. Our current foreign policy is not working, and it's too expensive. We need to change it, and I've not heard a single other republican even mention a change in foreign policy.

My attitude is not a "blame America first" attitude. My attitude is "let's figure out WTF went wrong in the context of both 9/11 and Iraq and FIX IT". Just because I'm not standing on the sidelines waving a pair of pom-poms in support of our current foreign policy, does not mean I blame America for anything. How do I blame a country?

I blame the democrats for this "make the world safe for democracy" foreign policy.
I blame the necons for not seeing how bad of a policy this really is and for not changing it.
I blame the true conservatives, myself included, for allowing the party leadership to be taken over by these RINO neocons.
I blame the Bush administration for.....that list is too long and distinguished. Suffice it to say that he gives conservatives a bad name.
I blame the media who go around worshiping phrases like "War on Terror" instead of thoroughly trashing them for the nonsense they are.

Most of all I blame Osama Bin Laden. He's the one who did this to America. Why are more worried about security the Iraqi people than we are about bringing him to justice?

No other candidate is talking about changing anything. We, as a nation, are not heading in the right direction, more of the same 'ol, same 'ol isn't going to help. We need a leader with new and different ideas. Ron Paul is the man delivering these ideas.

MikeJ-2009

Come on Jonny, hate America WITH us.

J-SMITH69

even if everything is our fault, your position does nothing to help us, you're saying we're very bad, and everything is our fault, but that doesn't do a thing to stop the people who already hate us, and already want to kill us, NO MATTER what we were to do. there is nothing we can do... we're forced to fight, and we must win...

we need a swift change in direction of this country away from socialism, and if ron paul would make all the issues he stands on a reality, i would support that even if it meant his foriegn policy, but he cannot do that, and thats a fact. its basically impossible for us to move back to where we were 100 years ago politically without it taking a complete revolution or decades of hard tooth fighting against the liberal socialists out there.

if ron paul were to get elected, he cannot wave a wand and make everything better.

harry truman in the korean war?
i guess JFK's intervention in cuba was good intervention, not bad conservative intervention... didn't forget about that did you?
JFK and lyndon johnson in vietnam must've been the good intervention, since you forgot about it.
bill BJ clinton in somalia
bill BJ clinton in bosnia

i guess that was the good democrat intervention

Jorsher

very true, but I'm sure you'll agree it's a start in the right direction.

If he even began to make progress, he would be re-elected. A lot can happen in 8 years.

I sometimes probably seem like a "blame america" person, but it's not because I want to. USA is going in the wrong direction and pissing a lot of countries off while simultaneously ------- ourselves. We need a "revolution" and that's what ron paul stands for. I'll be registering just to vote for his ***, and this is coming from a lazy person.

AWDstylez

The question was answered in depth; where is your rebuttle? You failed to even acknowledge it. Three people pointed it out and you completely dropped the issue. Very important rights have been lost; where is your counter point?


You tell me my posts are nothing but emotion, but you sit there and try to argue with me that the factual word defintions are wrong and the very catagories that define political ideals are incorrect... for no other reason than because you think they are. Opinion is an awsome way to back up your arguements.

This page, more than any other, has shown your ignorance is sickening detail as you sit here and argue with people that are clearly far more intelligent and far better informed than you.

I'm also still waiting for your explaination of why your morals are more right than my morals. I'm really looking forward to that one. As hard as it may be for someone with only an 8th grade education, you need to try to give a reason other than "because you're wrong".


And for the person that asked, no, I'm not gay.

And to stealthmode that asked which kind of "conservatives" I was refering to on the other page, I was refering to the technical definition of a social and fiscal conservative, not whatever wacked out opinions today's "conservatives" might have.

J-SMITH69

you didn't answer my question, what rights have you lost since 2000?

i already stated, non us citizens have no constitutional rights. we can tap anything we want of theirs, monitor them in anyway, and if you fight with al qaeda, and get picked up, you are no longer a citizen, you automatically resend your citizenship when you join a foreign army, or fight against the united states.

im not forcing my morals on you, this is already explained by me.

no one is trying to make it illegal to be a ******. you are safe...

disgusting liberals like YOU are FORCING your morals on eveyrone else. YOU FORCE people to be "non discriminitory" against queers, THATS YOUR MORALS NOT MINE.

saying being a ****** is wrong, is a hate crime to you ****** liberals.

saying i dont want a disgusting queer renting my house, or working at my company IS ILLEGAL. THATS YOUR MORALS NOT MINE. liberals like you FORCE THEIR MORALS AND RELIGION VIA LAW ON PEOPLE EVERYDAY. kids are taught IN PUBLIC SCHOOLS, that religion is wrong, THATS YOUR MORALS NOT MINE. kids are taught in public school thats its OK TO BE A ******, AND YOU CAN HAVE TWO MOMMIES OR TWO DADDIES. THATS YOUR MORALS NOT MINE. liberals like you FORCE ATHEISM on people, THATS YOUR RELIGON NOT MINE. ATHEISM IS A RELIGION, WHY IS IT OK TO BE TAUGHT IN SCHOOL?

disgusting liberals like you force their morals and religion (government) on everyone, and you're declared a racist, bigot, and all other sorts of slanderous names if you don't agree with them.

QikEnuF

Can we all agree that if Hillary Clinton is elected, America will cease to exist?

stevenb

In part I do agree with you about liberals forcing people to believe in their beliefs.

But on the same hand, your conservative buddies cram your religion down our throats too.

With the whole... "The bible says marriage is by a man and a woman... so therefore our laws say the same."

And with your "God looks down on homoshexuals so we will too" mentality.

None of it's right, we're all ------- human beings.. and we're all for the most part American Citizens.. and we all deserve the rights to freedom and the pursuit of happiness.. Even if that involves ------- sam instead of Samantha... or whatever.


By the way you still haven't rebutted my argument about the possibility of American citizens being reclassified enemy combatants without a trial. What happened to the Judicial branch of our government being the ones that convicted people of crimes? What happened to habeus corpus (Innocent until proven guilty, and the right to defend one's self in a court of law)?

And, it's been proven and we're still digging up the mudd that our government abused the patriot act to spy on it's own people. It's own citizens... calls within the United States. Not just abusing it to monitor citizen's outbound and inbound calls from foreign countries or to foreign countries. They violated every one of their fourth amendment rights. Maybe you haven't been paying much attention to the news, but parts of the patriot act have been struck down by federal judges... especially those concerning warantless wiretaps. Wanna know why the judge has struck them down? Cause they're unconstitutional.

I've argued with people like you before about this kinda stuff. Hell I still argue with my mom who has the same beliefs as you do about making it so that the government can do anything they want with us for our safety. I know I'm not going to change your opinion.. but if making an example of how flawed your beliefs are sways anyone else into thinking for themselves.. then my job has been accomplished.

J-SMITH69

no one is trying to make it illegal to be a ******. as i've said many times.

saying homos are wrong, is freedom of speech, teaching kids through public schools that its ok is not freedom of speech.

marriage is a religious institution, and should not be recognized in anyway by the government.

if i want to say and believe that queers are disgusting and wrong and will burn in hell, thats freedom of speech
if i want to say ------s are worthless and i hate them thats free speech

forcing people to acknowledge queers in the private realm is WRONG, and liberals force this on you. ------s queer beaners and everyone else should have the exact same rights as anyone else, and should be created equal in the eyes of the government, in the private sector, i should be free to say ******* are disgusting, ------s are worthless and i don't want them working for me, or living in the apartments i own. and liberals have made it illegal to "discriminate" by not hiring, etc.. someone who you don't like. talk about forcing morals

no one is trying to outlaw homos, or outlaw being a nagger

i already answered this. you resend your american citizenship when you join a foreign army or entity fighting the united states, ala al qaeda. you have no constitutional rights now.

there is no one in guantanamo that is anything but a terrorist picked up in a foreign country. there is no american citizens in guantanamo bay as far as i know.

none of this has ever been proven, and no one who isn't a complete kook has even made the allegation.

the "warrentless wiretaps" on non us citizens was struck down by a liberal activist judge tied to the ACLU (american criminal liberties union) and has not been held up.


i do not believe this, and i find is completyl offensive that you think this. i hate the government, especially the federal government, their main responsibility is to protect the country as a whole. when they tap NON US CITIZENS WHO HAVE NO CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS IN THIS COUNTRY. it does not bother me.

no one is listening to your phone calls. unless you're in another country calling the united states talking about terrorism.

stevenb

Marriage is regulated by the federal government... that can be changed, but it still doesn't change the fact that conservatives forced their religion on everyone when they decided to make gay marriage illegal by defining marriage itself.

You're absolutely right you have the freedom to say whatever you want about anyone you want.

You're absolutely dodging my question that I'm asking you about the people who resend their citizenship. So I'll make it easy for you.

who determines whether or not these people have joined a foreign army, or a foreign resistance and therefore resended their citizenship?
(And you absolutely cannot say that there are not prisoners in guantanemo bay who were american citizens reclassified by the military act. noone knows other than bush and cheney... because they will not allow any oversight committees to look at their records. *gee* wonder what they're trying to hide.)

I'll give you a guess, it's not the judicial branch of our government... it's the executive branch... since when did they become the judicial branch and start enforcing laws / prosecuting people under those laws? *HINT* not since Bush came to power. They have absolutely absolved everyone's right to habeus corpus which is clearly defined in our constitution. Just because someone says you're a murderer doesn't make you a murderer. And if you were to be charged with being a murderer you still have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to defend yourself in a court of law. Don't you see how open ended the military act is when it comes to ruining people's lives?

And, no they are using it (patriot act) on our citizens in country calls.. why do you think AT&T and all the major phone companies are being sued for violating our rights? Because they fucked up and gave the phone records to the government without warrants. Why do you think Bush is pushing for Retroactive immunity for the phone giants in his Foreign Intelligence Surveillance bill? The one that just got passed, without those stipulations and Bush is fighting for them.... Because they all know they broke the law, and violated a bunch of people's constitutional rights.

Wake up man.