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Old 09-09-2007, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by buk9tp
ill invite you to an all expense paid trip to the middle east so you can see all the hatred they have for americans
Yeah, that sounds like fun. How about we just blow the ---- out of them instead? Hate all you want, bitches.
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Old 09-09-2007, 08:38 PM
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Conservatives seek to control your daily life and morals while letting you have fiscal freedom.
Are you refering to real conservatives, or the republican party claiming they're conservatives? I would hope it's the last one.
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Originally Posted by buk9tp

hate to break this to you rs but islam/arabs arent your problem again 99.9999% of arabs/muslims dont give a ---- about america or israel or whats going on
then tell the ******* to leave. Last time I was in America, thre were more arabs than mexicans. ******* own every ------- gas station and motel, everywhere I went to.

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Frank, buk was talking about middle eastern muslims, and why they decide to hate us. He was saying they don't hate us because of Mcdonalds or Hummers, or our freedom, ect....

What YOU'RE talking about, is muslims coming to America, which is different because everybody, from every country wants to come here, for school, or to own gas stations, or whatever the case.

Two different things.
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Old 09-09-2007, 10:25 PM
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then tell the ******* to leave. Last time I was in America, thre were more arabs than mexicans. ******* own every ------- gas station and motel, everywhere I went to.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

prolly less than 2 million arabs in america all together

prolly more than 30 million mexicans

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Old 09-09-2007, 11:13 PM
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Originally Posted by buk9tp
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

prolly less than 2 million arabs in america all together

prolly more than 30 million mexicans

good sheep
Muslim estimates in 2000, didnt care to take the time to find current ones since I dont think muslims are entering or leaving like mexicans.

http://www.theislamproject.org/educa...ed_States.html

"In March 2006 the Pew Hispanic Center estimated the undocumented population ranged from 11.5 to 12 million individuals[1], a number supported by the US Government Accountability Office (GOA)[2]. Pew estimated that 57% of this population comes from Mexico; 24% from Central America and, to a lesser extent, South America; 9% from Asia; 6% from Europe, and the remaining 4% from elsewhere.[3]"

source http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Illegal..._United_States

This is an interesting read.

http://www.soundvision.com/info/year...01/profile.asp

But you cant really trust anything you hear on the internet so im going to speculate that there are less that 2 million muslims and that they hate bush. I am also going to say they most of them live in Arizona cause its sandy and i think they like sand.
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Old 09-09-2007, 11:34 PM
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he said arabs.. not muslims theres more muslims than arabs in the us what they classify as a muslim is fucked up so i just stuck to arabs farakhans followers are counted under muslim census

and also mexicans are the ones pouring into this country unaccounted for unlike mexicans arabs cant just come into this country illegally and stay here as long as they want
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they force us to give people we don't like "equal opportunity" what happend to freedom??

force us to be "tolerant" to everything we find disgusting, who is forcing morals here?
This right here sums up your ignorance to perfection. It does so so perfectly that I can make you look like a fool without even responding to anything else you said, this covers it all.

You fail to realize that life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness covers EVERYONE, not just you and not just people you like. Living in a FREE country involves tolerating people you may not like and those people being able to do things you may not like in order to pursue their own happiness. Again, step outside of Pissant Nowheresvilles and explore the world. Their are more people in it then yourself.


Study up, maybe you'll be able to speak about politics at least semi-intelligently after learning something about it.

http://rationalrevolution.net/articl...al_spectru.htm

Make special note of the chart that puts world leaders into the four boxes on the political view spectrum. Notice that Hitler and Stalin are at exact opposite and extreme ends of the Social view line. If your brain is starting to function at that point you'll realize how that corresponds to what I said in my last post that you seemed to think was so wrong. Also make note of where Mussolini is in relation to good ole G Dubya, and where Clinton and JFK are... right in the center where they should be.

Mussolini on the "right wing"...

If it is admitted that the nineteenth century has been the century of Socialism, Liberalism and Democracy, it does not follow that the twentieth must also be the century of Liberalism, Socialism and Democracy. Political doctrines pass; peoples remain. It is to be expected that this century may be that of authority, a century of the "Right," a Fascist century.

The foundation of Fascism is the conception of the State, its character, its duty, and its aim. Fascism conceives of the State as an absolute, in comparison with which all individuals or groups are relative, only to be conceived of in their relation to the State. The "Liberal State" is not a directing force, guiding the play and development (both material and spiritual) of a collective body, but merely a force limited to the function of recording results. On the other hand, the Fascist State is itself conscious, and has itself a will and a personality - thus it may be called the "ethical" State...

The individual in the Fascist State is not annulled but rather multiplied, just in the same way that a soldier in a regiment is not diminished but rather increased by the number of his comrades. The Fascist State organizes the nation, but leaves a sufficient margin of liberty to the individual; the latter is deprived of all useless and possibly harmful freedom, but retains what is essential; the deciding power in this question cannot be the individual, but the State alone...

The Fascist State is an embodied will to power and government, the idea of force in action. According to Fascism, government is not so much a thing to be expressed in territorial or military terms as in terms of morality and spirit. It is an empire - that is to say, a nation which directly or indirectly rules other nations without the need of conquering a single square yard of territory.




From the article:

Socialism was seen as a working-class, or under-class, movement and Liberalism was then seen to be the ideology supported by the wealthy elite class and capitalism. Fascism was based on a middle-class movement and gained its initial base of support largely from middle-class workers and small business owners, people who both opposed the "Left" and also opposed the existing wealthy establishment as well.

The Liberal revolutions had effectively separated the realms of Church from State and Commerce from State. That was what the Liberal revolutions were all about - eliminating the State control over commerce (feudalism and mercantilism) and State control over religion (theocracy) (or religious control over the State).

As these things relate to America today:

American politics today is very much shifted to the Right economically and socially, yet American society in general is relatively liberal in the social sense.

"Conservative" citizens who support right-wing politicians are in fact contributing to the very problems that they are trying to oppose, and the result is that as the economics shift more and more to the Right, the social situation becomes more and more liberal. The conservatives then keep pressing more and more to the Right, thinking that that is the answer, but in fact it is not.

The fact is that social liberalism is beneficial to corporations. The more liberal that society is, the more opportunities there are for making money, and, as Marx stated:

Under private property... every person speculates on creating a new need in another, so as to drive him to fresh sacrifice, to place him in a new dependence and to seduce him into a new mode of enjoyment and therefore economic ruin. Each tries to establish over the other an alien power, so as thereby to find satisfaction of his own selfish need.

This is where the fundamental break between American society and religious conservatism occurs.

Most major religions, Christianity, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, and others, are based on the idea of limiting an individual's desires. Fundamentally, religious societies are typically societies where people are encouraged to control their desires and limit their possessions and worldliness.

Capitalist society, though, is based on the exact opposite of that. Despite the fact that FDR's New Deal appeared to be anti-business on its face, and despite the fact that the Keynesian economics of the post-WWII era in America relied on government intervention in the economy, this intervention was all designed to promote capitalism, and the means of doing that was through the promotion of consumerism, as the 1995 article If the GDP is Up, Why is America Down? states:

But the biggest change was in who "the people" now were. Because the Keynesian approach saw consumption as the drive train of prosperity, Washington collectively looked at the public in those terms as well. They were no longer primarily farmers, workers, businesspeople--that is, producers. Rather, they were consumers, whose spending was a solemn national duty for the purpose of warding off the return of the dreaded Depression. Our young men had marched off to war; now Americans were marching off to the malls that eventually covered the land.
I suggest you read the entire article, as long as it may be. It will subsitute for your lack of a world view, lack of getting out of the house, your excessive Rush Limbaugh listening, and your lack of a Political Science course.
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Old 09-10-2007, 03:38 AM
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way to quote a bunch of left wing nutcases

do you have no thoughts of your own?

hilter was a socialist - fact
socialism = democrat party - fact
socialism = liberalism - fact

once again, no one is trying to make it illegal for you to be a ******.

******* like you are trying to force others to accept it as morally right, once again, nothing to do with the law, but disgusting liberals are forcing other people to say its ok.

liberals force their religion onto people everysingle day, government is their religion, the public schools are their re-education camps.

why do disgusting liberals and queers try to teach kindergardners that its morally acceptable to be a ******? why is this even brought up?

1. i don't listen to rush limbaugh
2. your political science classes are blantent left wing propaganda. and you've been sucked in just like many mush for brains dumbass kids do.

by your definition all the founders of our country would be facists. they all stood for traditional values, just like conservatism.

if you love socialism and want to be all the queer you can be, move to europe. there you can be poor and live out your worthless life with the rest of that society that is in serious regression.

calling clinton a centrist is a complete joke, he ran on a centrist platform, but did nothing centrist during his administration. largest tax increase in american history, serious dismantling of intelligence and military, hey... remember ruby ridge i guess being tolerant liberals doesn't include a shotgun with a barrel 2 inches too short... remember waco i guess having religion different than liberalism deserves death as a punishment.

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by your definition all the founders of our country would be facists. they all stood for traditional values, just like conservatism.

You're ignorant to the point that it's actually sad. I can't believe there are people left in this country that are so blinded and misinformed. You're trying to argue FACTUAL DEFINITIONS with me. You can't do that, it's FACT.

The founders of this country are not infallible. "Traditional values" of the 1700's were new, liberal, and revolutionary just a short while before. You need to broaden your concept of time and place. Like I've said many times now, grow up and step outside of your cabin in the woods, there's a whole world out there.

You love the bring up the homosexuals. By who's morals is that wrong? Your's? Who the ---- are you, little boy that lives in the cabin in the woods? Who made your morals superior to mine? The "Christian" God? Who made "Christianity" more right than my religion? Made you should add an ethics class to your list.

This country was settled by people that left England because the government tried to impose its morals on them. They left because that government wanted to stick to the "traditional" (Catholic) way of doing things, while the pilgrims had these new, liberal ideas (Protestantism). When the country was actually founded it was created in such a way to try to prevent a repeat of what happened in England. That's why in this country you're free to be gay, free to Muslim, every culture and ethical background recieves equal treatment (something the founding fathers overlooked). etc etc etc

I'll finish with this when I get back. I'm expecting to see you signing up for classes next semester. Go get educated and stop being an ignorant retards who's back up for being right is "because I said I'm right".
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