stevenb

I agree with you in the "If you join a foreign army." Or renounce your citizenship.. then you do resend your citizenship.

But, the usage of these two acts is up to the sole discretion of The President of the United States. (I'm talking about the portion of the military act where it states that he can pronounce you a military combatant and have you detained as such).

So now, as long as the president says you're this, or that.. you're this or that? If he says you're a murderer... do you not have the right to fight those charges in a court of law with adequate legal advice? Why do those who are deemed military combatants in our country not have this luxury? They are still citizens.. even if the president deems them as not.

The basic principals of each of these ACTs is to destroy our rights as Citizens of this country. And because of sheeple, and people who don't want to see what they're doing.. they've been allowed to do this. You asked for examples, and I provided you with them.

The terrorists have won, they have altered our way of life by scaring everyone into giving up their way of life. Yourself included.

john_anderson_ii

Excellent, now we are getting somewhere. It's not just the liberals anymore! I'm having a hard time telling a liberal from a neocon these days. The department of homeland security, backed by the PATRIOT and REAL ID acts are all about federalizing private security. The republican leadership is all for it, so are the democrats. Don't you see something wrong with this picture?

Imagine if you owned a small airline. You have tens of millions invested in an airplane, and an untold amount of liability should anything happen to your passengers. Do you really want to rely on the FAA to protect your assets, or would you rather take that protection into your own hands by training and possibly arming your crew. The decision of how much training and who gets to be armed is completely up to you, the owner of the airplane. The decision to travel in your airplane is completely up to the consumer. The guy who can boast that trained former police officers are armed on their flight staff gets the competitive edge with the consumer.

The above scenario is ideal in a free market, and a free society. What did Bush do after 9/11! He built this HUGE bureaucracy called the department of homeland security which devoured private corporate security! Now the taxpayer is bearing the cost, and the airlines and airports no longer have responsibility. That's not a conservative, republican thing to do! That's something I'd expect to see Hillary doing. At the end of the day though, American's are now paying a premium price for a sub par security product. Just like they were under the FAA.

Ron Paul is the only candidate who talked about deregulating the Airlines and allow them to develop their own security practices. The market will decide on who's plan is adequate. Not to mention, the airlines would be paying the tab, not the taxpayers.

john_anderson_ii

That wasn't the edit button.....

stevenb

Nevermind the fact that the DHS is almost a completely incompetent agency.

If anything they've only served to inconvenience people who fly, and stifle travel by coming up with new things to ban because they could be used as terrorist devices.

klyph

Less government involvement is ALWAYS better. Anyone who needs the government in order to survive, needs to grow a pair.
America is full of god damned pussies.

MikeJ-2009

Jonny, I just punched myself in the face. I want you to know that. Every last detail of every appearance of the Presidents is called a photo-op, and everything about it is scripted, placed, and staged. Not that I care, but I can't figure out why you would even claim that, care to claim that, or defend it.

J-SMITH69

yeap, they're called liberals

search the web, even the sailors on the ship who were interviewed said it was their idea, and they put it up, and bush had nothing to do with it...

im sure bush didn't mind, even welcomed it, but it wasn't their doing

J-SMITH69

let me make this clear, i do not agree even 30% of what repubs do sometimes. if you search this forum you will see that i am a libertarian, before it became cool from all the anti-war dumbasses out there.

i supported harry browne in previous elections.

i am not registered as a republican... but i don't agree with the anti-war zealots, and i dont agree with ron pauls foreign policy and isolationism

the blame america first crowd really aggrozazses me. (simpsons political reference that is funny.)

stevenb

I don't so much as blame America for all the problems we have. But in fact we are sleeping in the bed we made through years of intervention with our foreign policies when it comes to this issue.

Isolationism isn't a great idea.. I don't condone it.. but we do need to find our compass and get this country back to the way it was before we can continue to focus on other country's problems.

I don't support this occupation of Iraq, because the facts were all wrong and jumbled. The reasons we went into Iraq were not pure. If they had solid evidence that Al Qaeda was there, and providing terrorist training... I'd have supported military action in Iraq. I think that the majority of the United States citizens would... but it's becoming more and more clear that we're there for other reasons. That's why there is so much dissent and distaste for this occupation.

MikeJ-2009

After the fact, and seeing what a dumb idea it was, I'm sure they'd take the hit for it. It doesn't really matter though, the President knew it was there and right behind him in his photo-op, so it's not really important who hung it. The important part is that on that day, we found out that "Major combat operations in Iraq have ended. In the Battle of Iraq, the United States and our allies have prevailed."


Also while looking that quote up, he also said:
The Battle of Iraq is one victory in a war on terror that began on September the 11th, 2001, and still goes on.

And here's the video of him saying Iraq and 9/11 had nothing to do with each other.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=l-c8Bf8LWWk
Though we went to enforce a UN resolution, there's alot of word games that idiot Americans aren't smart enough to pick up, and that was clearly the plan.