J-SMITH69

no proof of anything he says

its obviously he is a left wing hack

MikeJ-2009

Cool, lets setup a military base on every corner of every country and shrug our shoulders when we can't figure out why people want to fly planes into our buildings. If Russian forces were walking up and down your street Jonny, you'd be shooting at them as well. I'd expect it. Think about it.


Which isn't to say that most of the media, the government, and their sponsors tell the truth either. I draw the line when someone tells me the majority of our military should be on the other side of the world fighting, because a domino *could* take place and we could be there to stop Iran from building a nuke that couldn't touch us anyway, yet our backdoor is wide open. The real threat is what's coming in the back door, not what can't touch us a world away. This is what 99% of Republicans are saying, and they're full of ----.

J-SMITH69

iran doesn't need a missle to reach us with a nuke

they already fund all sorts of terrorist groups, and could arm them with it. they can reach israel, and other allies in the region. if that region is engulfed into war, it will ------ and we'll eventually be involved.

you're too literal and black and white on the issue.

we already know, because they have told us, why they fly planes into our buildings, they do it in the name of their religion, they want to convert us to islam, and they want to take over the world. they can't and won't... but they can cause a lot of commotion and destruction..

Jorsher

Do you honestly think they really give a ---- about what religion we are? Do we give a ---- what religion other nations are? No. Blowing us up because our "democracy and freedom" is what the propaganda-filled media tells us. People are only concerned with themselves. We have fucked them (and other countries) over with different foreign policies and such, and it pissed them off. If they wanted to take over the world, they would start with the weak-sauce countries around them and not jump straight to the most nig-noggest, badass country in the world. I'm not condoning their actions, but there's a lot more behind it other than "disliking our freedom."

Bottom line: we've screwed them and they're pissed.

Also, the isolationism that existed years ago is different from what Ron Paul is preaching about. Complete isolationism will cause a war most likely, like you said, but like stealthmode said...do you think the rest of the world is happy about us having military bases in their country

jinxy

ron served for 5 years in the military, rudy served for 0. rudy has been a mayor twice, ron has been a congressman for years.

J-SMITH69

osama bin laden is from saudi arabia.

we have done nothing to saudi arabia. without us, they would be nothing. they would be a dot in the desert.

yes they are, because they ALLOW US THERE.

they can tell us to GO HOME ANYTIME THEY WANT.

THEY WANT OUR PROTECTION. we are not in any country without that countries approval. Iraq could tell us to go home tomarrow if they wanted to.

they are doing it in the name of islam, we have done nothing to any middle eastern country. we helped their sorry asses against the soviet union in afganistan

MikeJ-2009

Terrorists groups are kept out of the country with good intelligence, and closed borders. Neither of which we have, but should be working on. Anything could happen to isreal, but we're not isreal, and we don't own isreal. Isreal can take care of itself, or die trying. I can spot your average hippy Bush basher just as well as the next, and I would never try to give the impression that I'm one of them, but at some point we have to look at all our bases, all our influence, and realize why people really don't like us. If we were to treat people the way we wish to be treated, we'd have the bases of over 50 countries in America. It'd never happen, but we do it all over the world.





Good intentions or not, if I'm a media outlet of some shithole country and I show you that, I can make you hate the Americans too. We're the Mike Tyson of the world, and Mike Tyson isn't liked.

MikeJ-2009

And he's in Pakistan right now, but we aren't there, are we? If we wanted him as bad as we say we do, we'd have had him by now. But then, nobody even thinks about why we're in Afganastan looking for bin laden when we know where he really is, and all of our troops are in a completely unrelated country which has become the focus. Do you see how this isn't making any sense? It doesn't add up, and I'm done trusting a given side of the government based on my hatred for woodstock.

J-SMITH69

those countries want us there, or else lost a war to us and thats why we are there

were we in germany before WWII Japan? etc?

no we were not. they started a world war. we won. we have bases there.

w/o those bases around the world, there would've been a much much much greater risk, if not certainty that communism would've enveloped the world, including us... islam is trying to do the same thing.

people don't like us the same reason people don't like the yankees... because whoever is on top is hated, no matter who is it or what they do.

we've liberated more people than the rest of the world has combined.

we should secure our borders, and confront islam, not one of the other.

johnny for president. 08. contribute to my campaign, which i will then funnel into my c6 z06 fund

btw, we are in Pakistan , Pakistan is out ally, and we're working with them to capture him, Pakistan doesn't control that part of the country, our troops are protecting the afgan government, which if it were to fall, osama and the taliban would have the country back, and it would be just like it was before sept 11th.

believe me, they are doing everything they can...

MikeJ-2009

Well that's easy. If a country doesn't want us there, we'll kick their asses and set up shop anyhow. Communism isn't a threat anymore, so why would "anti-communism" bases still be around today? It doesn't make sense, so obviously it looks like we think we own the earth. Yeah, we've liberated alot of people, which wouldn't be out of the question in the future, but I'm sure you can see from the outside looking in, what it looks like, and why INDIVIDUALS, not governments want to tear the roof off the motha.

Empathy. Evaluate the situation from both sides of the fence.