J-SMITH69

vast majority of jews are liberals

jinxy

The paper is full of logical fallacies because it's written poorly, on a slant. I got the point of your post and this thread is not arguing morals, it's arguing law and politics. Yes, there's a moral backing behind law and politics , but you seem to not understand what freedom nesscairly is and you seem ready and willing to complain to the government to give up your said rights so everyone is "tollerated". The exact same government that you're bitching about being ran by baptist, right wing, hillbillies.

AWDstylez

Damn. Those poor southern slave owners had to give up their "right" to own slaves because some liberal bastard up north decided that slavery was wrong and black people are just as human as white people. ------- communist bastards.

Times change. Conservatism overlooks this by constantly trying to keep things "the way they were". If conservatives ruled the world we'd be living a feudalistic society with a King and a spot of land to grow him some food on. We'd have a slave class and a ruling class, period. Basically, society never would have advanced because those crazy bastard commi liberals would never have been able to initiate change and make the world a better place.

You idiots seem to forget that there was a time when some idiot not much unlike yourself was saying, "The solar system being heliocentric is against my religion. You're wrong Galileo you liberal socialist piece of ----." Today is nothing new. It's the same slow progess that's been going on since the beginning of time. There's the people that are willing to change and accept new ideas, and there are the retards that insist on inhibiting progess because they want things to say "the way they were," because they think that's right. Religion has a lot to do with it and is the number one reason it has taken mankind so long to make relatively (to what it could have been) little progress socially and scientifically.


And this is exactly my point. Living in the free country that we do, no one gives a ---- about your religious beliefs. My religious beliefs tell me to slaughter all women and children, are those harmful beliefs protected by the consitution? Absolutely not. Your beliefs are harmful and inhibit the freedom of others. You'll argue that they aren't. I'll argue back that they are. How do we reach a conclusion? It's up to the government to determine when your beliefs and free speech cross the line, and they've determined that your homophobic beliefs do cross the line. Now shut the ---- up and sit down. That's how the country works. You can bitch about it day in and day out, it isn't going to change. Much like most white trash right wing nut jobs, you support freedoms only when they coincide with your own beliefs, but not with someone else's.

J-SMITH69

the civil war was not fought for slavery. it was a very very small peice of it.

the blacks in the north were not slaves, but they had no rights there.

you're a clown. go play with your boyfriend.

awdstylez version of progress is queers (they've been around for thousands and thousands of years) and communism.

this country didn't become the greatest ever on earth on a socialist philosophy

AWDstylez

Sit down little boy. You aren't allowed to speak until you address the issues in my last post. No more dodging and side stepping.

jinxy

You're digressing and putting words in my mouth, doing exactly the same thing that you accuse johnny of doing. You're also making assumptions about my political preference, when I've stated close to jack ---- nothing about my political leanings. I've done nothing but told you that you're forming half assed arguments and missing the point of what johnny has been telling you. I know you're going to say you're not, but you are. I know this by your lack of directly addressing the issues that he's brought up. I'm sure you're doing what you think is right, but you're just basing your argument of pure gut feeling, then spouting off every point that comes into your head at the time about the subject. It's not working out for you. You need to step back, rethink your approach and retry. If you can't make a solid argument, maybe you should rethink your stance.

QikEnuF

Rawr always manages to get his bit of ownage in every big thread

MikeJ-2009

and he still loves the dick.

john_anderson_ii

Steven told me that an enlightened political conversation would be reduced to gay sex on this board. I should have listened to him.

N1ghtM0nkey

You are wrong because you said it is their RIGHT to join the military. It is NOT their RIGHT to join the military and they waive their privilege by choosing / being a homosexual. The thing that you failed to understand in my post is that I don't think they deserve special treatment at all - no - they should get equal treatment which they would NOT get in the military. If you read and understand what I said you would understand that I think they should get the same treatment, but the fact of the matter is that their treatment would be significantly WORSE than that of a heterosexual in the military. Not only that but they would also be causing morale issues for the rest of the people they are grouped with.

You never did answer me when I asked you if you would enjoy taking showers with a homosexual for 3 months or longer when it is obvious that the sight of your naked *** arouses him. Focus now, would you like that? Would that make you feel good about being in boot camp, which already sucks? What is that going to do for your morale which is already low in boot camp? Answer that, and then tell me it's still a good idea for homosexuals to be in the military.

That has nothing to do with assuming they would do something, that is a matter of whether or not the rest of the soldiers feel comfortable around him. Just as easily as you can say well they're not going to do anything and you shouldn't fear it, there's the very real possibility that they will and I can tell you from first hand experience that this type of ---- does go on in the military even though it's against the policy - and people are discharged for it. You're beating a dead horse trying to argue some ---- that is already set in stone - homosexuals are not allowed in the military and for many good reasons which I already listed for you.

You need to realize that the military is not exactly an equal opportunity employer, there are certain standards that one must live up to which NO homosexual can for the simple fact that they are homosexual. Sure they may be able to pull a trigger and talk on the radio - but that isn't even the beginning of what the military demands from a person. You have to be able to work very closely with your fellow soldiers among other things. In fact infantry is only one option and not even all jobs in the military require you to be on the field of battle.

Did you know that females aren't allowed to enlist as infantry? I think a bigger percentage of the US are females than homosexuals male or female. Why aren't you arguing for their "rights?" Oh wait...they don't have any when it comes to entering the military.

If you want to know why they are discriminated against as far as entering the military then refer to the factual information I linked on the last page, that has all the answers you're looking for and I'm not going to keep explaining it to you just because you don't think it's right.

Case closed.

Wrong again. You don't seem to know your rights very well, you can hold beliefs that you need to slaughter all women and children - that IS protected by the constitution. This is basics, check the first Amendment again, harmful beliefs do not inhibit the freedom of others until one acts upon those beliefs.

However if you were to act upon your beliefs, you would not be protected and you would go to jail where other homosexuals hang out.

And now I'm a homophobic because I don't approve of gay marriage? Hardly. Shut the ---- up about telling me to shut the ---- up and sit down, I'm still within my rights and I will continue to ---- on you guys as long as you want to keep this going.

And all the sudden I'm a right wing nut job because I don't approve of gay marriage and don't think homosexuals have any place in the military? So what is your response when I tell you that I'm fiercely pro-choice?

It's funny to me because I came in this thread citing factual material giving an entirely reasonable argument, and you guys start talking ---- and crying about what I said. You continue to make an *** out of yourselves by attacking me when I came in here the reasonable person when I could just take your way of doing things and talk ---- and denounce people that don't agree with me.

You are some big ------- hypocrites, you're all about not discriminating other people but when I post two entirely valid opinions - one backed by a factual reputable source, you start screaming bloody murder because somebody doesn't agree with you.

Cry more please, your bleeding heart liberal tears are delicious.