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Old 09-11-2007, 01:20 AM
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Originally Posted by stevenb

The only thing I have against this argument is...

The fact that the bible has seeped it's way into every crevice of the majority of our government and our people.

Noone wants to hear about other possibilities because that could prove their belief is fallable. Therefore they discriminate against other beliefs even if they are able to be proven scientifically.

The true win-win of this would be to teach kids both sides of the coin and let them make a choice.. but that will never happen with bible thumpers making up the majority of our school systems.

It is also wrong to force religion down their throat.. if they do not believe in that... but it was still done.. and is still done in some schools around the nation.
are you serious?

bible thumpers making up majority of the school system? are you serious?

thats is horribly ignorant, the majority of school boards, public school teachers, public school districts are made up entirely of liberals.

liberals have integrated themselves into public schooling, because it gives them a unchallenged forum to force their views onto childs who really cannot think for themselves, and are easily influenced. plus they barely have to work and are on the government dollar.

go check the teachers union's donations to political parties, go look up their numbers based on political party affiliation. its horribly lopsided.

this shows a really complete lack of understanding of the issue.

religion has always been a part of our government, even since the founders days. the purpose of seperation of church and state was to not have the government force a perticular religion on people. the purpose was not to banish all religion from the public arena.

our constitution and government as a whole was founded on a judeo christian belief system. you cannot escape this fact religion has played a huge part in our government since its founding.

a true win-win would be to teach kids nothing about the origins of life at such a huge level. the bible has nothing against science as explaining biologoy or anything else.

i ask you which is a greater leap of blind faith?

believing a high being created the world around us
or believing a big bang came out of nothing and created something.

both require blind faith, and neither can ever be proven as of right now. (theoretically religion could be proven if the rapture came or something like that... lol )
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Originally Posted by random-strike
you only believe in free speech when its yours.
Am I the only one that sees the tremendous irony in this?
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Old 09-11-2007, 01:29 AM
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Originally Posted by AWDstylez
Am I the only one that sees the tremendous irony in this?
you must be.

you ever going to come up with an argument, or rebut any of my points?

you don't have the mental capacity to argue politics.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:02 AM
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Originally Posted by random-strike
you must be.

you ever going to come up with an argument, or rebut any of my points?

you don't have the mental capacity to argue politics.
Points? thats plural. your only trying to make one from that last 2 pages of reading and thats that you shouldnt be forced to like homosexuals. noone is making you like them, your just not allow to discriminate against them just like you cant with blacks.

you do realize a homosexuals can also be female right? if you dont think 2 girls getting it on is sweet then your the "disgusting ******" you keep claiming everyone is forcing you to like.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:20 AM
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Points? thats plural. your only trying to make one from that last 2 pages of reading and thats that you shouldnt be forced to like homosexuals. noone is making you like them, your just not allow to discriminate against them just like you cant with blacks.

you do realize a homosexuals can also be female right? if you dont think 2 girls getting it on is sweet then your the "disgusting ******" you keep claiming everyone is forcing you to like.
i don't think its awesome, and i don't really care about it.

not allowing me to discriminate in the private sector IS FORCING MORALS.

the government should not be allowed to discriminate, private entities should be able to. thats freedom.

please read the thread, government is indoctrinating children into their religion everyday in school. they force their morals on children, they force them to believe homosexuality is ok.

you can't argue this, because it is fact.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:41 AM
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Atheism is not a religion, it is a lack of religion just like something that is abiotic is lacking life.

Although johnny's points may seem extreme, you guys are ignorant for not seeing where he's coming from. It's just as natural for someone to be intolerant of homosexuality as it is for someone to be homosexual in the first place, so where do you draw the line on who is "tollerated"?
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Originally Posted by random-strike
you must be.

you ever going to come up with an argument, or rebut any of my points?

you don't have the mental capacity to argue politics.
Every one of your points has not only been rebutted, but PROVED wrong. Your only counter point consists of "You're wrong and I'm right." You're horrifically uneducated, extremely biased, mind numbingly ignorant, you have no concept of history, no concept of culture, and not one thing that you've said has a leg to stand on aside from "I'm right because I'm right". Who in their right mind would put effort into arguing with such a retard. You can't even keep a civil and respectful debate, you instead resort to calling everyone ******* because you have nothing better to contribute and anyone that disagrees with you is a "liberal" even if their views are more conservative than your own on the particular issue. You completely ignored the article I posted which would have given you a basic run down of political views, their definitions, and how they're changed over time so you could at least continue this thread on with some shread of intelligence.

Case in point:

Originally Posted by random-strike
you can't argue this, because it is fact.
Prove it!
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Originally Posted by rawr
Atheism is not a religion, it is a lack of religion just like something that is abiotic is lacking life.

Although johnny's points may seem extreme, you guys are ignorant for not seeing where he's coming from. It's just as natural for someone to be intolerant of homosexuality as it is for someone to be homosexual in the first place, so where do you draw the line on who is "tollerated"?
This was covered already. We're dealing with being tolerant vs being intolerant. Being intolerant is not acceptable, that's discrimination. Asking someone to be tolerant of the views, beliefs, opinions, and lifestyles of their fellow human beings is part of living in a truely FREE country. Idiots like jonny can't comprehend the true meaning of the word FREEDOM and instead take it to mean a white trash trailer park land were baptist church ideals rule and everyone does what the NRA says.
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Also, this thread is a cluster ----. If you're going to step up an argue, step correct, don't come in here slinging off bullshit then tell someone to "get educated". If you start or enter an argument, you better be damn well ready to present your argument coherently and completely, support your ideas with facts, cite real resources when you make reference to a specific thing that's not common knowledge and address the strong counter argument in a way that gives it some credit, but completely, underhandedly, pisses all over it at the same time.
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Old 09-11-2007, 02:51 AM
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Originally Posted by rawr
Also, this thread is a cluster ----. If you're going to step up an argue, step correct, don't come in here slinging off bullshit then tell someone to "get educated". If you start or enter an argument, you better be damn well ready to present your argument coherently and completely, support your ideas with facts, cite real resources when you make reference to a specific thing that's not common knowledge and address the strong counter argument in a way that gives it some credit, but completely, underhandedly, pisses all over it at the same time.
---- off. Go back and read my orignal posts. I'm the only person in here that cited an actual article (not wikipedia, not youtube, not random google reference, but an actual, acceptable for a college paper type article) to back up my views. Jonny blew it off as "liberal" trash. The only person in here spouting ---- with nothing to back it is him.
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