Ron Paul.
09-10-2007, 01:24 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by AWDstylez
You're ignorant to the point that it's actually sad. I can't believe there are people left in this country that are so blinded and misinformed. You're trying to argue FACTUAL DEFINITIONS with me. You can't do that, it's FACT.
The founders of this country are not infallible. "Traditional values" of the 1700's were new, liberal, and revolutionary just a short while before. You need to broaden your concept of time and place. Like I've said many times now, grow up and step outside of your cabin in the woods, there's a whole world out there.
Originally Posted by AWDstylez
You love the bring up the homosexuals. By who's morals is that wrong? Your's? Who the ---- are you, little boy that lives in the cabin in the woods? Who made your morals superior to mine? The "Christian" God? Who made "Christianity" more right than my religion? Made you should add an ethics class to your list.
09-10-2007, 01:51 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
i love awdstylez and his liberal arguements, all feelings no facts...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
09-10-2007, 02:38 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by random-strike
i love awdstylez and his liberal arguements, all feelings no facts...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
09-10-2007, 03:02 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by random-strike
hilter was a socialist - fact
socialism = democrat party - fact
socialism = democrat party - fact
09-10-2007, 03:46 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by CoreyR
Johnny, youre always right arent you?
09-10-2007, 03:51 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by MAJORAHOLE
therefore clinton = hitler??
but hitler was a leftist, he was as socialist, he banned firearms, he restricted buisness, he tried to make everyone drive VW bugs. the list goes on and on...
just because some jerkoff leftiest communist nutcase made up some phoney polictical spectrum doesn't mean anything
don't you think its interesting that a SOCIALIST, which is basically one step under communism is on the complete opposite side of this phoney spectrum
?what do you think european socialists would say if you told them they were on the far right of the political spectrum, they would probably throw their crapes in your face and accuse you of a hate crime
there is no comparison to american conservatism to nazism
09-10-2007, 03:58 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by ZC EF 4dR
im curious thats great and wonderful that they wanna end war and all that (cuz i have family out there), but like my brother out there tells me, how exactly does that happen? we pull out, they call us bitches and pull a fast one on us and bomb or blow up something in the us because we no longer hold them pinned down ? i mean come on those people are willing to send their children out strapped to a hundred pounds of c4 just to kill a couple people. so really what are they willing to do to us here ? im not trying to open a all out war discussion here just wondering what you all think about it.
i'm all for a president to back gun rights
and im TOTALLY AGAINST a female president, its bad enough we are hated by everyone but to be the laughing stock of the world at the same time? nahh im good.
i'm all for a president to back gun rights
and im TOTALLY AGAINST a female president, its bad enough we are hated by everyone but to be the laughing stock of the world at the same time? nahh im good.First, we're fighting terrorists... there is no such thing as the United Terrorists Army. Or any kind of Confederated organization of Terrorists. They don't have a "base" or a home country, or a home town. They operate out of wherever they are, and don't wear uniforms so they can be identified. We're not "Pinning" down ---- because we're in another country shooting ---- up, kicking *** and taking names later. We are attracting a little more attention there... but in the end, we're not fighting a military or world power.. we're fighting a bunch of ------- durhka durhka jiihadists who throw rocks at tanks, and use improvised explosives to blow them up. All while hiding in huge crowds of other duhrka durhka's.
Our millitary is bad ------- ***.... but it's not so great against targets that could be friendly, or foe. They are out of their realm.. and it's really showing.
And most of you are to stupid to realize that.So who are we "pinning down"?
And why are we there? err... wait.. we're there cause saddam hussein flew a couple planes into some buildings.
09-10-2007, 04:43 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
I just registered with the sole purpose of refuting a couple of points.
The above statements contradict each other. Someone with "in-depth world knowledge" would know a few key facts.
1.) Osama Bin Laden may in fact be a Saudi, but that doesn't mean he's friendly toward Saudi Arabia. He wants to overthrow the Saudi oligarchy because he sees the government of Saudi as oppresive to muslims, and is thus an enemy of Saudi Arabia. The U.S. isn't even the main target of Osama & AQ. The governments we protect are. Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are the targets of Osama, the U.S. is between Osama and his goals, which is why he fights us.
2.) The more we show military force in our efforts to protect the enemies of Al Queda, the bigger Al Queda gets and the more recruiting propaganda they have.
3.) If Osama hated us because he wants us all to convert to Islam, and he hates women in the workplace, why did he allow our CIA to arm him, equip him, and push him into a fight with the USSR? Why was he our ally until the 90's? We didn't go from allies to enemies on the merits of religion. That's just ridiculous.
Seriously, if you are going to tout yourself to be an expert on Middle Eastern affairs, you would be wise to learn the recent history of the Middle East, and the conflicts therein. Once the American people realize we are not at war with a nation, nor a government, they will realize that our military has really no political goal or "flag to capture". We are playing whack-a-mole, international referee, and peacekeeper with our own soldiers, sailors and Marines. We are also going bankrupt in the process. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Wouldn't it be better to let the Arabs have their civil wars, and their revolutions, which is what the Arabs really want? If we let them do that, then we can deal with the "last man standing" when the dust settles as we see fit.
Also, for those who said Ron Paul can't do anything because congress won't let him? Uh, yeah, he can. He can slash executive orders. He can eliminate or reorganize executive departments (IRS, Dept. Of Education, Homeland Security, etc) without the approval of congress. He can deregulate industry (FAA,FCC) without congressional approval. And the biggest thing? His "one vote" in congress becomes a very powerful tool called a VETO!
The worst thing America can do right now is elect Guilianni. Americans know this, and that is why a Guilianni/Hillary race becomes a liberal win. He's been caught, by Ron Paul, in a televised debate saying he hasn't heard about the blowback resulting from U.S. Foreign Policy. That means he wants to keep us safe, and fight international terrorism, when he is completely clueless about how it works! It's like asking a mechanic to run a dairy farm! It doesn't make sense.
Originally Posted by random-strke
osama bin laden is from saudi arabia.
we have done nothing to saudi arabia. without us, they would be nothing. they would be a dot in the desert.
yes they are, because they ALLOW US THERE.
we have done nothing to saudi arabia. without us, they would be nothing. they would be a dot in the desert.
yes they are, because they ALLOW US THERE.
Originally Posted by random-strike
i have about 1000x more indepth knowledge of the world as you will ever have.
1.) Osama Bin Laden may in fact be a Saudi, but that doesn't mean he's friendly toward Saudi Arabia. He wants to overthrow the Saudi oligarchy because he sees the government of Saudi as oppresive to muslims, and is thus an enemy of Saudi Arabia. The U.S. isn't even the main target of Osama & AQ. The governments we protect are. Israel, Egypt and Saudi Arabia are the targets of Osama, the U.S. is between Osama and his goals, which is why he fights us.
2.) The more we show military force in our efforts to protect the enemies of Al Queda, the bigger Al Queda gets and the more recruiting propaganda they have.
3.) If Osama hated us because he wants us all to convert to Islam, and he hates women in the workplace, why did he allow our CIA to arm him, equip him, and push him into a fight with the USSR? Why was he our ally until the 90's? We didn't go from allies to enemies on the merits of religion. That's just ridiculous.
Seriously, if you are going to tout yourself to be an expert on Middle Eastern affairs, you would be wise to learn the recent history of the Middle East, and the conflicts therein. Once the American people realize we are not at war with a nation, nor a government, they will realize that our military has really no political goal or "flag to capture". We are playing whack-a-mole, international referee, and peacekeeper with our own soldiers, sailors and Marines. We are also going bankrupt in the process. Is the juice worth the squeeze? Wouldn't it be better to let the Arabs have their civil wars, and their revolutions, which is what the Arabs really want? If we let them do that, then we can deal with the "last man standing" when the dust settles as we see fit.
Also, for those who said Ron Paul can't do anything because congress won't let him? Uh, yeah, he can. He can slash executive orders. He can eliminate or reorganize executive departments (IRS, Dept. Of Education, Homeland Security, etc) without the approval of congress. He can deregulate industry (FAA,FCC) without congressional approval. And the biggest thing? His "one vote" in congress becomes a very powerful tool called a VETO!
The worst thing America can do right now is elect Guilianni. Americans know this, and that is why a Guilianni/Hillary race becomes a liberal win. He's been caught, by Ron Paul, in a televised debate saying he hasn't heard about the blowback resulting from U.S. Foreign Policy. That means he wants to keep us safe, and fight international terrorism, when he is completely clueless about how it works! It's like asking a mechanic to run a dairy farm! It doesn't make sense.
09-10-2007, 04:44 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by random-strike
i love awdstylez and his liberal arguements, all feelings no facts...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
their ideas were liberal then, but they are not now...
the definition of liberalism has changed.
no one is trying to impose a religious state on anyone. its completly against the consitution and it can never happen.
you and your fellow queers are trying to impose their morals on us, trying to make it illegal to say **** are wrong.
please answer the question homo.
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
you also didn't answer which morals conservatives are trying to impose on you.. liberals are doing the imposing...taxes, ****, smoking, trans fats, guns, hunting, cars, oil, etc...
there is a huge list... tired of typing...
Loss of Habeus Corpus via the Military Act - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Militar...06#Application
Loss of right to not be unfairly searched / seized via the Patriot Act. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USA_PAT...ecord_seizures
And various other constitutional rights both of those Acts violate.
09-10-2007, 05:42 PM
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Re: Ron Paul.
Originally Posted by random-strike
what right have you lost since the year 2000. please name one.
I lost the right to gamble on the internet. Not that I ever did, but if I wanted to, I should be able to. Especially with all these government gambling programs called lotteries going around. I guess they make too much money to ban those.
