*OFFICIAL* Z06 shits on GTR
07-30-2008, 06:52 PM
#213
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Re: *OFFICIAL* Z06 ***** on GTR
http://www.newcartestdrive.com/sneak...m?ReviewID=168
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4236862.html
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/gtr/2009/review.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/au...ws/27AUTO.html
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=478804
"The Z06"Fourth Place: Extremists
Our first miles were run on a track (Buttonwillow Raceway Park, north of Los Angeles), for which the Vette’s toolbox is less well-stocked than the Viper’s or the Porsche’s. In the deep foxhole of the driver’s seat, everything feels softer, from the flat, foamy buckets that allow sideways sliding to the artificial steering to a suspension tuned for compliance. Turn quick, and the direction change waits while the body slumps to the outside. Poke the mighty V-8, and the Z06 squirms on its rear. Call on the brakes, potent but pulsing and jittery in our 2725-mile test car, and the nose leans forward to sniff pavement.
Confidence that welled up in the other cars was challenged by the Z06’s wallow and its proclivity to whipsaw unpredictably. Some cars drift out cautiously, patient for your corrections. This Z06 offered little between glued fast and black-ice breakaway. We suspect the Goodyear run-flats suffer a weakness here, though the Vette also proved to be out of alignment. A shop eventually corrected excessive rear toe-in, and we fitted a new set of rear tires, which settled it down some.
Long road legs were less punishing in the Z06, thanks to the easy clutch and shifter, a fast-cooling air conditioner, and satellite radio, but the cockpit’s acrid aroma of curing resin made it smell “like driving a body shop,” groused associate editor Tony Quiroga. Cabin noise at full whack is turned down the most, though no car here would be confused with a Lexus. The bellowing LS7 has broad flexibility with no obvious peaks or pits on the way to its 7000-rpm redline. Only the V-10 Viper offers more instant gratification.
The Corvette is the lightest, but when worked beyond its comfort zone, it can feel heaviest. With 505 straining horses, we’d prefer more chassis discipline with which to harness them.
"The GTR"2009 Nissan GT-R
First Place: Extremists
The wheel feels direct, changing course with curt responses and reading back the road in little tugs and flutters. The two leather-fringed bananas on the column shift the automated twin-clutch six-speed seamlessly and with heady throttle blips.
Perhaps, in this group, the twin-turbo, 3.8-liter V-6 is short on power, but it makes it back in flexibility. Torque ramps up evenly off idle, supplying a long, linear shove to the 7000-rpm redline. We said big turbo power is a process. Not in this
machine. It’s almost instant. Unfortunately, so is the low-fuel light when it’s being stroked. And the V-6 is also somewhat quiet and antiseptic, leaving a sound vacuum filled by dull tire roar.
The GT-R looks best at night, a UFO—unidentified fast object—burning the darkness with its four large LED taillight rings. In its element on open roads, the GT-R runs up the bumpers of the other cars as their drivers struggle to summon as much courage as the GT-R pilot enjoys. Loose surfaces, wavy pavement, blind hairpins: The speeding is easy as the GT-R’s computerized driveline and near-transparent stability system clean up whatever its wide stance and limber suspension can’t fully digest. “I have never driven a car that was so stable at speed,” one convert enthused.
Happy days are here when the lowest price buys a supercar that everyone, down to your Aunt Phyllis, can enjoy.
btw when i googled GTR test slow dissapointment i got this
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...p?p=1566506323
read what zr-1 had to say in the corvette forum
in no way am i saying the GTR is the best vehicle in the world. Im not saying its faster than the z06 in a quarter mile. but overall its a better car. These guys are paid to test these cars and they are the ones driving it. Have you ever rode a z06 or GTR RS? And yes the GTR does have some faults on some of there model and not everyone is 100% backing up as some are tested.
I've proved my point and quite done so you can have at it.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/auto...s/4236862.html
http://www.edmunds.com/nissan/gtr/2009/review.html
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t_drive_review
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/au...ws/27AUTO.html
http://editorial.autos.msn.com/artic...umentid=478804
"The Z06"Fourth Place: Extremists
Our first miles were run on a track (Buttonwillow Raceway Park, north of Los Angeles), for which the Vette’s toolbox is less well-stocked than the Viper’s or the Porsche’s. In the deep foxhole of the driver’s seat, everything feels softer, from the flat, foamy buckets that allow sideways sliding to the artificial steering to a suspension tuned for compliance. Turn quick, and the direction change waits while the body slumps to the outside. Poke the mighty V-8, and the Z06 squirms on its rear. Call on the brakes, potent but pulsing and jittery in our 2725-mile test car, and the nose leans forward to sniff pavement.
Confidence that welled up in the other cars was challenged by the Z06’s wallow and its proclivity to whipsaw unpredictably. Some cars drift out cautiously, patient for your corrections. This Z06 offered little between glued fast and black-ice breakaway. We suspect the Goodyear run-flats suffer a weakness here, though the Vette also proved to be out of alignment. A shop eventually corrected excessive rear toe-in, and we fitted a new set of rear tires, which settled it down some.
Long road legs were less punishing in the Z06, thanks to the easy clutch and shifter, a fast-cooling air conditioner, and satellite radio, but the cockpit’s acrid aroma of curing resin made it smell “like driving a body shop,” groused associate editor Tony Quiroga. Cabin noise at full whack is turned down the most, though no car here would be confused with a Lexus. The bellowing LS7 has broad flexibility with no obvious peaks or pits on the way to its 7000-rpm redline. Only the V-10 Viper offers more instant gratification.
The Corvette is the lightest, but when worked beyond its comfort zone, it can feel heaviest. With 505 straining horses, we’d prefer more chassis discipline with which to harness them.
"The GTR"2009 Nissan GT-R
First Place: Extremists
The wheel feels direct, changing course with curt responses and reading back the road in little tugs and flutters. The two leather-fringed bananas on the column shift the automated twin-clutch six-speed seamlessly and with heady throttle blips.
Perhaps, in this group, the twin-turbo, 3.8-liter V-6 is short on power, but it makes it back in flexibility. Torque ramps up evenly off idle, supplying a long, linear shove to the 7000-rpm redline. We said big turbo power is a process. Not in this
machine. It’s almost instant. Unfortunately, so is the low-fuel light when it’s being stroked. And the V-6 is also somewhat quiet and antiseptic, leaving a sound vacuum filled by dull tire roar.
The GT-R looks best at night, a UFO—unidentified fast object—burning the darkness with its four large LED taillight rings. In its element on open roads, the GT-R runs up the bumpers of the other cars as their drivers struggle to summon as much courage as the GT-R pilot enjoys. Loose surfaces, wavy pavement, blind hairpins: The speeding is easy as the GT-R’s computerized driveline and near-transparent stability system clean up whatever its wide stance and limber suspension can’t fully digest. “I have never driven a car that was so stable at speed,” one convert enthused.
Happy days are here when the lowest price buys a supercar that everyone, down to your Aunt Phyllis, can enjoy.
btw when i googled GTR test slow dissapointment i got this
http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...p?p=1566506323
read what zr-1 had to say in the corvette forum
in no way am i saying the GTR is the best vehicle in the world. Im not saying its faster than the z06 in a quarter mile. but overall its a better car. These guys are paid to test these cars and they are the ones driving it. Have you ever rode a z06 or GTR RS? And yes the GTR does have some faults on some of there model and not everyone is 100% backing up as some are tested.
I've proved my point and quite done so you can have at it.
07-30-2008, 07:11 PM
#215
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Re: *OFFICIAL* Z06 ***** on GTR
nissan juiced the pre production mules.
its a fact. thats why the GTR is getting.
every third party that has tested the GTR has ran terrible times, and even high 12 1/4!
every third part ring test has been in the 7
0-7:50s
they juiced it, to hype it. but not its biting them in the ***. and they got people like you hook line and sinker.
its a fact. thats why the GTR is getting.
every third party that has tested the GTR has ran terrible times, and even high 12 1/4!
every third part ring test has been in the 7
0-7:50sthey juiced it, to hype it. but not its biting them in the ***. and they got people like you hook line and sinker.
07-30-2008, 08:34 PM
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Re: *OFFICIAL* Z06 ***** on GTR
magazine racers rule!!!
One of the latest mags which pits the Z06 vs. the GTR , vs a GT2 , vs the ACR viper has the GTR and Z06 turning the same lap . (the ACR crushed em both)
Magazine races are gay , they are so biased it's unreal. You guys could argue all day about who is faster and probably find info to back it up , but whats the point? Just agree to disagree.
I will however point out that even with all it's techno wizardry , yaw controllers ..ect.. the GTR is still equal too or maybe a second off a car that still uses leaf springs and pushrods.
+1 for GM ---- piles.
One of the latest mags which pits the Z06 vs. the GTR , vs a GT2 , vs the ACR viper has the GTR and Z06 turning the same lap . (the ACR crushed em both)
Magazine races are gay , they are so biased it's unreal. You guys could argue all day about who is faster and probably find info to back it up , but whats the point? Just agree to disagree.
I will however point out that even with all it's techno wizardry , yaw controllers ..ect.. the GTR is still equal too or maybe a second off a car that still uses leaf springs and pushrods.
+1 for GM ---- piles.
07-30-2008, 08:45 PM
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Re: *OFFICIAL* Z06 ***** on GTR
Vette uses transverse leaf springs. We hae a C4 and a C5 , both transverse leafs..the have been this way since the C2 in the late 50's
C&D's test sheet, since we seem to put so much stock into what they have to say
GTR
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
4.1 to 60 for the GTR
12.6 @ 111 in the 1/4
Corvette
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
3.8 to 60 , 11.9 @ 124
Blackdragon , you posted all that info , but failed to post the times.. the corvette was as fast on the track "handling" and faster in a straight line.
So now you are taking some journalists opinion and forming your own based on that. Since opinions are like ******** and in a room of 100 people you will find people who will like 1 or the other , why not use real facts ....like performance numbers... meaning that the magazine you took so much time to quote basically said the Z06 is a faster car.
It comes down to driver preference not what a magazine tells you is better...
the Z06 may not be as refined , but with rebates on the Z06 vs. what guys are paying for GTR's , the z06 is about 40% less. go on 6speedonline and look up what guys are paying for GTR's over list..near 100G's out the door.... Z06's are selling now at just a tick above 60 grand due to rebates and incentives (because GM is sinking)
Even a base Vette is faster then a GTR (If you want to magazine race using car and driver)
spec sheet for 08 Vette BASE
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/..._z51_08_ts.pdf
a Measly Carrera S packing 355Hp will turn the same numbers as the GTR according to Car and Driver....since they are the automotive authority
Mechanical
Active Handling System – integrates chassis, brake and traction control systems
Axle – limited-slip differential
Brakes – 4-wheel vented discs with 4-wheel anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Drive – rear wheel
Steering – power, rack-and-pinion, speed-sensitive
Suspension – 4-wheel independent, includes transverse composite leaf springs
Transmission – 6-speed manual
Active Handling System – integrates chassis, brake and traction control systems
Axle – limited-slip differential
Brakes – 4-wheel vented discs with 4-wheel anti-lock braking system (ABS)
Drive – rear wheel
Steering – power, rack-and-pinion, speed-sensitive
Suspension – 4-wheel independent, includes transverse composite leaf springs
Transmission – 6-speed manual
GTR
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
4.1 to 60 for the GTR
12.6 @ 111 in the 1/4
Corvette
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/...Test+Sheet.pdf
3.8 to 60 , 11.9 @ 124
Blackdragon , you posted all that info , but failed to post the times.. the corvette was as fast on the track "handling" and faster in a straight line.
So now you are taking some journalists opinion and forming your own based on that. Since opinions are like ******** and in a room of 100 people you will find people who will like 1 or the other , why not use real facts ....like performance numbers... meaning that the magazine you took so much time to quote basically said the Z06 is a faster car.
It comes down to driver preference not what a magazine tells you is better...
the Z06 may not be as refined , but with rebates on the Z06 vs. what guys are paying for GTR's , the z06 is about 40% less. go on 6speedonline and look up what guys are paying for GTR's over list..near 100G's out the door.... Z06's are selling now at just a tick above 60 grand due to rebates and incentives (because GM is sinking)
Even a base Vette is faster then a GTR (If you want to magazine race using car and driver)
spec sheet for 08 Vette BASE
http://www.caranddriver.com/content/..._z51_08_ts.pdf
a Measly Carrera S packing 355Hp will turn the same numbers as the GTR according to Car and Driver....since they are the automotive authority
