DSM Acclude project....FINISHED......with pics........
08-19-2004, 08:57 PM
#61
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
we just love to defend the f-series 
seriously though, jd ran a 13.8 with a tdo4 and safc at 10 psi. how much horsepower is he putting out? i haven't a clue. i guess the point i'm trying to get to is 200+hp on a stock f22 vs. 500hp on your built h22 on the street. you won't get traction until midway through 3rd gear. hope you can do a 8 second 1/4, cuz you won't catch up if that isn't the case. if this cars for racing, i must ask, why an accord?
seriously though, jd ran a 13.8 with a tdo4 and safc at 10 psi. how much horsepower is he putting out? i haven't a clue. i guess the point i'm trying to get to is 200+hp on a stock f22 vs. 500hp on your built h22 on the street. you won't get traction until midway through 3rd gear. hope you can do a 8 second 1/4, cuz you won't catch up if that isn't the case. if this cars for racing, i must ask, why an accord?
08-19-2004, 09:24 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
well it would be a street car totally. in the twin cities here, my buddy has a red civic hatch. looks like a piece of ---- even complete with rust. completely stock outside minus the huge FMIC. he has a fully built b18c5 running a GT3561E percision turbo. man o man, he made 426whp at 16lbs of boost on pump gas(daily driver). he took it to the track and ran an 11.7 in street trim. and he doesn't even have a cage in the thing. AND his build can take 50psi no problem. hopefully he'll be seeing how much power he can make out of that motor soon and then take it to the track with some big *** slicks.
basically i want to do something like that
why an accord, well, because nobody else has a fast accord. there's a rare few that have a h22 built w/turbo but i never hear or read about any track times or any ---- like that. i know of 3. and 2 of them are for sale
basically i want to do something like that
why an accord, well, because nobody else has a fast accord. there's a rare few that have a h22 built w/turbo but i never hear or read about any track times or any ---- like that. i know of 3. and 2 of them are for sale
08-19-2004, 10:55 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
i ran through that hardcore...
look the point being..
the F setup is still cheaper.. and thinking small?? bleh thats BS
justin Isumis's accord coupe is running 11s.. with a turbo kit and a competition head.. thats still under the pricetag of a h22a swap and bolt ons.. which makes me laugh..
i mean yeah your making power 180 w.e you said wiht bolt ons and vafc.. fair enough.. like i told u 195whp 185TQ at 10psi with safc.. ur nitrous shot only got u 217tq.. ha.. that made me laugh.. h22a's lack torque something the F always will have just like the LS motors..
while ur screaming away at 7rpm the f22a is making those torque figures around 4k .. run what ya brung..
its been proven time and time again.. its cheaper to run a stock F with boost than to build a h22a RELIABLY and boost it.
281.6whp and 234.2ft-lb that made me laugh too.. not because the power output is bad... ---- no its impressive..
like i mentioned before 274whp at 14psi and around 250tq from a f22b1 sohc vtec.. lol.. i mean.. seriously.. pump gas and a safc.. lol..(wishes he could find accordfreaks post/dyno sheets on h-t right about now)
point being thou.. i back up the F not because im biased.. ---- i am biased but.. like you said speed costs money how fast you wanna go...
theres two was to look at it
A.you spend alot of money to get to that goal
B.you look at a logical way to get to it i.e F22aT
honestly a built F is just slapping in forged pistons/new set of rods. lol.. as simple as that..
josh ross's F lasted about 2 weeks on 20+psi.. let me see a h22a do that for a day..tee-he.. tee-he..
im done with my rant
cliff notes
budget wise
F>H
Power wise
F>H IMO when boost is concerned
reliability
F=H nuetral..
look the point being..
the F setup is still cheaper.. and thinking small?? bleh thats BS
justin Isumis's accord coupe is running 11s.. with a turbo kit and a competition head.. thats still under the pricetag of a h22a swap and bolt ons.. which makes me laugh..
i mean yeah your making power 180 w.e you said wiht bolt ons and vafc.. fair enough.. like i told u 195whp 185TQ at 10psi with safc.. ur nitrous shot only got u 217tq.. ha.. that made me laugh.. h22a's lack torque something the F always will have just like the LS motors..
while ur screaming away at 7rpm the f22a is making those torque figures around 4k .. run what ya brung..
its been proven time and time again.. its cheaper to run a stock F with boost than to build a h22a RELIABLY and boost it.
281.6whp and 234.2ft-lb that made me laugh too.. not because the power output is bad... ---- no its impressive..
like i mentioned before 274whp at 14psi and around 250tq from a f22b1 sohc vtec.. lol.. i mean.. seriously.. pump gas and a safc.. lol..(wishes he could find accordfreaks post/dyno sheets on h-t right about now)
point being thou.. i back up the F not because im biased.. ---- i am biased but.. like you said speed costs money how fast you wanna go...
theres two was to look at it
A.you spend alot of money to get to that goal
B.you look at a logical way to get to it i.e F22aT
honestly a built F is just slapping in forged pistons/new set of rods. lol.. as simple as that..
josh ross's F lasted about 2 weeks on 20+psi.. let me see a h22a do that for a day..tee-he.. tee-he..
im done with my rant
cliff notes
budget wise
F>H
Power wise
F>H IMO when boost is concerned
reliability
F=H nuetral..
08-19-2004, 11:01 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
oh just to take that whole. F is limited in power output..
here ya go boys...
http://www.altech.com.pl/wbt/_specy/f22a1trb1.htm
link to justins page..
dynograph
http://www.altech.com.pl/wbt/_images/justindyno1.gif
452whp 407tq... suck on that charge-pipe for a while :P
here ya go boys...
http://www.altech.com.pl/wbt/_specy/f22a1trb1.htm
link to justins page..
dynograph
http://www.altech.com.pl/wbt/_images/justindyno1.gif
452whp 407tq... suck on that charge-pipe for a while :P
08-20-2004, 02:59 AM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
If you've got 2k to drop on an engine swap for a 15 year old car...more power to you. Not all of us have such big budgets and we make do with what we have.
What we have is a low HP and high torque engine (for a honda) that is capable of withstanding quite a bit of boost.
What about other engines like the F20A or the F22B? 150 and 160hp stock (respectively). Thats a better starting point and I do believe they retain the very strong sleeves and block.
Even if you don't want the hassle of swapping one of those or can't afford it, you can turbo the F22A and get very respectable numbers for a fraction of the price of an H22 swap.
Also you posted up numbers with an H22 that had VAFC and some bolt ons...those numbers are about right considering the bolt ons and VAFC increased the HP a little. Put the same stuff on an F series and it'll do the same thing...those numbers are nothing out of the ordinary.
There's always going to be a way for the under dog to come out on top, it just takes some very clever people to find ways to make it happen.
By the way, even if the 75hp difference was not able to be made up between the F22 and H22, the F22 would still have the better torque numbers and would help make up for that HP quite a bit.
What we have is a low HP and high torque engine (for a honda) that is capable of withstanding quite a bit of boost.
What about other engines like the F20A or the F22B? 150 and 160hp stock (respectively). Thats a better starting point and I do believe they retain the very strong sleeves and block.
Even if you don't want the hassle of swapping one of those or can't afford it, you can turbo the F22A and get very respectable numbers for a fraction of the price of an H22 swap.
Also you posted up numbers with an H22 that had VAFC and some bolt ons...those numbers are about right considering the bolt ons and VAFC increased the HP a little. Put the same stuff on an F series and it'll do the same thing...those numbers are nothing out of the ordinary.
There's always going to be a way for the under dog to come out on top, it just takes some very clever people to find ways to make it happen.
By the way, even if the 75hp difference was not able to be made up between the F22 and H22, the F22 would still have the better torque numbers and would help make up for that HP quite a bit.
