DSM Acclude project....FINISHED......with pics........
12-14-2004, 07:14 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project....FINISHED......with pics........
Yeah bud, good work!
I am in the process of boosting my prelude h22a and I am also now using a dsm manifold because its cast and it was dirt cheap
however, i opted for a hybrid t3/t04e because the 14b spools too quickly. Anyways, this thread helped me, keep up the good work 
I am in the process of boosting my prelude h22a and I am also now using a dsm manifold because its cast and it was dirt cheap
however, i opted for a hybrid t3/t04e because the 14b spools too quickly. Anyways, this thread helped me, keep up the good work
04-02-2006, 11:13 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
Originally Posted by N1ghtM0nkey
No, DSM manifold will not fit, here's why:
F22 exhaust ports are like O-O-O-O
H22 exhaust ports are like O-OO-O
Or it's vice versa...
Yes, you must lose the front engine mount. There apparently is no way around it. If you're worried about the engine rocking then go ahead and get the rear mount insert. I think they're available at www.prostreetonline.com under bushings and engine in the bushings section.
F22 would have been a better engine for boosting, you're going to need to build that H22 up if you plan on running anything more than mild boost. After you factor in the amount you paid for the swap and the amount you paid to build the engine up, you could have had a nice F22 for a lot less money. But if you've got a wallet full of cash and the need to have the best of everything...go ahead.
F22 exhaust ports are like O-O-O-O
H22 exhaust ports are like O-OO-O
Or it's vice versa...
Yes, you must lose the front engine mount. There apparently is no way around it. If you're worried about the engine rocking then go ahead and get the rear mount insert. I think they're available at www.prostreetonline.com under bushings and engine in the bushings section.
F22 would have been a better engine for boosting, you're going to need to build that H22 up if you plan on running anything more than mild boost. After you factor in the amount you paid for the swap and the amount you paid to build the engine up, you could have had a nice F22 for a lot less money. But if you've got a wallet full of cash and the need to have the best of everything...go ahead.
04-02-2006, 11:31 PM
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Re:DSM Acclude project.......
Originally Posted by 93BoostedAcclude
Yes the f22 may be better for boosting but it make no powa :P an f22 with mild boost makes about the same power as my h22a does NA. Plus, my h22 is closed deck(bulletproof sleeves) so it can handle 9-10lbs daily driven maybe more with some rigorous tuning. And i guess i'm doing this because it's pretty rare to see a 4th gen H22 & turbo.....and from what i've seen the H-series makes much much more power with basically half the boost as most other honda engines(fully built of course).
Ok so all i need is that $25 prothane insert for the rear mount and i can take out the front one. that's good news...well then all i have left is the manifold. Does anyone know where i can just buy a dsm turbo flange, or does anyone have any ideas about what i should do about the manifold. (can i widen the holes on the dsm one
?)
Or has anyone seen this done before.
thanks guys
Ok so all i need is that $25 prothane insert for the rear mount and i can take out the front one. that's good news...well then all i have left is the manifold. Does anyone know where i can just buy a dsm turbo flange, or does anyone have any ideas about what i should do about the manifold. (can i widen the holes on the dsm one
?)Or has anyone seen this done before.
thanks guys
...but First off from my nolage the h22 is not boost friendly because the sleeves are made out of a curtain material not sure what it is but its not bullet proof from what i'v read,and the only reason the f22 is boost friendly is because it has cast iron sleeves but theres no point in boosting a sohc motor with stock internals at 7-9psi,10psi is pushing it and would require bigger fuel injectors...i did the dsm manifold on my f22a and i cut the pipe coming off the flange and fliped it over and welded it back up and that stoped the front motor mount from being removed and grinding down the block an inch but still i had to make a custom down pipe witch was easy but it doesn't real give you the power you think your going to have...and the f22a isn't a common motor and none makess to much for it thats why i got the h22 front clip on my back yard. 
..if andthing get catback exhaust and take the cat out,put an intake on it and get a bypass belt to the altenator and take the belt off the a/c compressor.that what i did to my f22a before i did the turbo witch i regret wasting my time on..,turboing a f22a isn't worth your time or money..what money you dump in the f22a you could get a f22b or a h23a1 witch bolts to the f22a tranny also...do let me discourage you but its good advise.
04-04-2006, 02:37 AM
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Re: DSM Acclude project....FINISHED......with pics........
risen from the grave...
now to add some more fuel to the flame..
w/ F22.... if you spent $500 for raceeng (wiseco made) 85.5mm forged overbore pistons and rings, $330 for ImportBuilders forged h23 rods, $120 on h23 arp studs, $100 for ACL main and rod bearings and thrust washers, $300 to get the block hot tanked, bored .020 over, and honed. add another $500 or so for oil pump, timing Belt, water pump, lower gasket kit, upper gasket kit, etc.. now you have a block capable of easily 450hp or so for roughly $1850. you cant even get an h22 swap for that much...
this guy made 335whp on a complete stock f22.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1411562
a few other guys are in the 270ish hp range, stock block/head as well.
now to add some more fuel to the flame..
w/ F22.... if you spent $500 for raceeng (wiseco made) 85.5mm forged overbore pistons and rings, $330 for ImportBuilders forged h23 rods, $120 on h23 arp studs, $100 for ACL main and rod bearings and thrust washers, $300 to get the block hot tanked, bored .020 over, and honed. add another $500 or so for oil pump, timing Belt, water pump, lower gasket kit, upper gasket kit, etc.. now you have a block capable of easily 450hp or so for roughly $1850. you cant even get an h22 swap for that much...
this guy made 335whp on a complete stock f22.
http://honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=1411562
a few other guys are in the 270ish hp range, stock block/head as well.
04-05-2006, 12:40 AM
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Re: DSM Acclude project....FINISHED......with pics........
Okay. i know there are folks making more.... But my "shitty" f22b1 (all stock- is making 260 WHP and around 270 tq at 10 psi on a conservative tune. I am in the process of building another f shortblock with sleeves, pistons rods etc to push the 450 whp area, but in the meantime am getting ready to turn up the boost on my stock motor to 15 psi Expecting 325 WHP or so. Ive got GOD as a tuner!!!!!
Injectors own me right now...It is really all in the tune.... I had dumb asses betting me my setup wouldnt last amonth....its been 5. I beat ther ---- out of the car EVERY chance i get, and have yet to find a h22 swapped accord that will keep up..so $ for $ boost the f.... I love my setup, and KNOW firsthand that the f motors are rock solid, hence my not "stepping up" to the h. ---- it, its a blast smoking ******* in a full interior car w/ps, and ac and subs, and my fat *** in the car.Yo CAN boost the H in its stock form but need to make sure you have someone who really knows how to tune it do so or you WILL smoke it. Ive got a buddy whose putting down over 450 on a stock h22.
one word of advice, do everything you can to keep your front mount.... (By th way, I managed to do that too!!!)
I am in no matter bashing the H motors... Just partial to the f. But as mentioned above...the composite sleeves are NOT asboost friendly as the f series' Iron PERIOD. If people try to argue this with ya they are ILL infoimed. Wheather or not the block is closed deck or not is not the issue.Its the sleeves' composition.
By the way i embarrased some guy in his 67 RS/SS 396 4speed Camaro today...PFRICELESS... (the most commonly asked thing i get about my car is what in the ---- do you have in that thing??)
My .02
Injectors own me right now...It is really all in the tune.... I had dumb asses betting me my setup wouldnt last amonth....its been 5. I beat ther ---- out of the car EVERY chance i get, and have yet to find a h22 swapped accord that will keep up..so $ for $ boost the f.... I love my setup, and KNOW firsthand that the f motors are rock solid, hence my not "stepping up" to the h. ---- it, its a blast smoking ******* in a full interior car w/ps, and ac and subs, and my fat *** in the car.Yo CAN boost the H in its stock form but need to make sure you have someone who really knows how to tune it do so or you WILL smoke it. Ive got a buddy whose putting down over 450 on a stock h22.
one word of advice, do everything you can to keep your front mount.... (By th way, I managed to do that too!!!)
I am in no matter bashing the H motors... Just partial to the f. But as mentioned above...the composite sleeves are NOT asboost friendly as the f series' Iron PERIOD. If people try to argue this with ya they are ILL infoimed. Wheather or not the block is closed deck or not is not the issue.Its the sleeves' composition.
By the way i embarrased some guy in his 67 RS/SS 396 4speed Camaro today...PFRICELESS... (the most commonly asked thing i get about my car is what in the ---- do you have in that thing
??)My .02
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