HondaTuner

Well, the whole accepting Christ thing is that when you're saved you're free from all sins... but when you ask for forgiveness you must be truly repentful of that sin... and if you go and kill a 4 year old girl, I'm going to guess that you truly did not ask Christ into your heaert.

And yeah, they should just say respect but some of them are weird like that.

Tom-Guy

"Terrify not man, lest god terrify thee"

Tom-Guy

BTW, BD, jews may accept converts, but they very much are a race as well.

88crxSi

ya, keep telling yourself that one!

heres my door to door killer... lol

96turboracer

You know, if you stop and take a look around, this place is a great example of what's written about in the bible. People have no faith in religion, precisely because of the hypocrisy that surrounds it. The catholic church has always been a major player in politics and wars- Blessing the troops saying God is on their side. What side? the side that desperately wants to kill the other side before they kill them?

Just for some added info, the Witnesses do not take an active role in politics, nor do they get involved in the armed forces. Is it because we don't appreciate the country we live in? NO! Our hope lies in a kingdom from above we simply do not place our faith in man. There is a scripture that says, "It does not belong to man to direct even his own step" I think most everyone can agree that no government past or present has been able to solve the problems afflicting mankind.
Now this is not to say that we don't appreciate the freedoms we enjoy in this country- it makes what we do easier. But that does not mean that we would be willing to support a worldly goverment and kill people to retain those. There are witnesses in countries all around the world. If our freedoms got taken away we would be just like those witnesses in other countries not so favorable. Do we want that to happen? NO! would we be willing to compromise God's standards to keep them? NO! That would be the biggest oxymoron you've ever heard.
The point is, "Pay back Ceasar's things to Ceasar, but God's things to God." Meaning we comply with the goverment of today, we are NOT anarchists, but we will not do something that man asks us to do that compromises what God tells us to do.

As for the point about witness kids not recieving presents, what a load of crap. My parents love me, and regardless of the fact that they didn't have much money, I was always taken care of and had good presents show up from time to time. In fact, some of you should try it- it's nice to get a present when someone is completely not expecting it. You view it as us missing out, I pity those who accept the Holidays for what they are: gift exchanges

I'm telling you, so many of you have made confused comments about the bible contradicting itself, or church's being hypocritical, but you'll never take the time to listen to witnesses really teach you about the bible and show that there aren't any contradictions, it's just because you don't understand what's being said. And yes, so many people have been turned off by religion today because of it's involvement with the world. I can understand that, but why not try to listen to someone who is speaking to you, not because they want your money, but because they want you to find a better way of life.

So many witnesses that are around today originally came from circumstances just like yours, they had the same attitude as you do, but something changed in their lives, they realized they wanted more fulfillment to their lives. You guys may never feel that way and that's your desicion, but I ask that if you do have questions, next time a Witness comes to the door, one: at least be nice if you want them to leave, we have a hard time doing what we do, and two: for once, listen to what they're saying, or if you have specific questions that you think must be answered, try them!

Myself, I took a long time to make my desicion, My mother is a Witness and my father is a non-believer- this makes it hard at times. When I was younger I didn't want it- a lot like you guys, then when I was 17 I moved to San Diego for a couple years, while down there I saw the type of lives people led, they could barely make it through the week just hoping for the weekend bashes to carry them through. They had no hope whatsoever and thus were trying to live every minute they could for themselves. I realised that I didn't want that for myself, so I moved back home and started studying. I'm now babtised and married and couldn't be happier with the desicions I've made. Some of you might find as you get older that there's nothing fulfilling about getting drunk or smoking weed. I only pray that decision doesn't come too late for some of you.

Sorry that was way too long.

Tom-Guy

"I'm sorry, you're upsetting Fluffy. You'll have to leave."

davcivic

Your girlfriend is wrong and probably just excusing her actions to feel better. I don't mean this disrespecfully, but it happens all the time. If you don't like the religion, leave no one is holding you back with a knife, but a lot of people feel bad about leaving or doing stuff they were teached not to do, so they have to excuse it. I have two sisters like this, they blame everything on "religion and control" when in reality they where the ones making the bad decision and screwing up their lives. Not saying your girl did this or anything but it happens.

I'm talking to you right? and yo anyone else in this site for almost what 4 years....You are 99% right, most religions/churches are a bunch of hypocrites that just want your money, and will allow and let you do anything and everything and then make you feel good saying God will forgive you for what you did.
This is wrong and it is also on the bible. A deep study on the bible will tell you all of this, but most people don't want to study anything and don't want the control.

Yes the bible controls you to have a clean moral and happy life, nothing wrong with that. But a study on the bible will lead you to and understanding of things, if you have faith in God, it will help, if not then it won't do a thing for you.

buk9tp

jesus wasnt white or black, he was a sand ------.

davcivic

Honestly if you really have questions on anything like this, or you just want to learn a little more of what's being said, be honest the next time someone comes to your door and be straight up like Listen I was on this website they where debating this point and I want more info on it, I don't care about religion or becoming a witness or nothing like that, I just want to see what the bible says about it. I know they will gladly explain our point of views and that's it if you don't want anything else, good, but at least you won't have that question in your head, you will have an answer then you can make your decision.

and yes in his human form born a Jewish mother and living at the time on with them he had to be one, well he had to look like one. Imagine a Black or a White or an Asian Jesus walking around Jerusalem.....actually that sounds kinda of funny, but not real... The portrayal of a lanky sick looking white man on a cross came after in the middle ages for a few reasons, one if you think we are racist now, go back to those times, jews and christians mixed together not good, so they made him look white to favor the way people looked at things, two the appearance makes him look like he is suffering more while being killed. If you see a strong perfect man being killed, yeah it affects you in a way, but if you see what looks to be a skinny defenseless little guy being killed it not only affects you it makes you become interested in that guy. Just another way the church changed the truth to get more people.

Tom-Guy

Truly. Whether Catholic, Protestant, Muslim, Jew, or Witness... it's all a bunch of people standing around jawing at each other about what they are expected to do to Conform to the mass morality.

God gave me two hands so that I can wipe my own ***, and a brain to perceive creation and draw my own conclusions. I have free will for a reason, so therefore I put my faith in myself and my abilities. I seek to amplify and define my senses, and become a fully actualised human being.

1) You are placed here to interact with the world around you, with other people, for a reason. Your hope is in your fellow man.

2) If man is not fit to direct his own path, then why give man free will?

Nor has any religious sons-a-bitch, but at least governments have provided such things as clean drinking water, equal opportunity education, minimum wage, and sewer systems. Not trying to put down your creed, I'm just demonstrating how flawed governments created by man have effected more good in this world than any religious belief or organised religion.

LOL. No, son, there are plenty of contradictions. I'm not even talking about the "god of the old testament" vs "god of the new testament" disparity that puts most people off, I'm talking about fundamental contradictions in the bible. Which doesn't matter to me one lick, since the bible was written by men, translated to taste, edited to suit various religious ruling bodies, and generally used to rationalise more brutality and killing than any other thing in this world. That's #1 reason why it isn't God's word, and why the thinkers who delved deepest into the physics of God's creation that were persecuted by the bible thumpers. Gallileo, nukka.

To cleave to the flock, adhere to a consensus morality, for approval, for security is easy. When everyone around you tells you that you're doing right, when it's all you hear and all you let yourself think, it's easy to believe. To have to confront yourself one on one, alone, and try to grow as a person is real ------- hard. There's a reason why most of the Saints in various religions were hermits, or spent time in seclusion; they had to walk their own path to become something worth being.

Yeah, I can't stand weed myself. Alcohol is good clean fun, though, you were probably drinking a fizzy yellow beer if you think there's nothing fulfilling about it.

Say, have you ever tried mushrooms?