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Old 03-24-2006, 10:54 AM
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Originally Posted by BlackDragon
These are actually the earliest humans before sapiens

"The earliest hominids"
Aegyptopithecus
Sahelanthropus tchadensis
Orrorin tugenensis
Ardipithecus kadabba
Ardipithecus ramidus
The Australopithecus genus
Australopithecus anamensis
Australopithecus bahrelghazali
Australopithecus afarensis
Australopithecus africanus
Australopithecus garhi
Australopithecus hotrexmaximus
The Paranthropus genus
Paranthropus aethiopicus
Paranthropus boisei
Paranthropus robustus
You left one out. It is very unevolved speciment, and only one has ever been found. Apparently, they thawed it out from an iceberg about ten years back and gave it a welder. The mind boggles.
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You left one out. It is very unevolved speciment, and only one has ever been found. Apparently, they thawed it out from an iceberg about ten years back and gave it a welder. The mind boggles.
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Well, according to Evolution they are NOW chimpanzees and we had the same ancestor. They're not saying that we were both monkeys back then, they're saying that the modern monkeys and modern humans had the same ancestors (which a lot of people refer to as monkeys, which is incorrect)...

I want to know, how did we get "seperated"?

If we're so different than primates how come our DNA is over 99% the same? And the separation happened gradually through evolution. There is no "missing link." How does your bible explain Neanderthals since they were a different species of humans that we eventually killed off?
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The bible doesn't say a different species of animal did not exist, it does say there where different beasts and monsters, that's just the wording it uses, both on land and sea. Those creatures that where eventually killed off could very well be part of those beasts that where created before man.

Could they have been tests to perfect what we are know humans, maybe "prototypes" of man to see if it would work out, until eventually the man as we are now was created and we are the final "production" animal. Who knows, the bible doesn't explain it, and it is not necessary to live.

We know for a fact that dinosaurs existed, there's bones there's proof that some type of giant reptile looking, but it's really a bird as scientists say now, existed. There's proof or bones of some type of animal/humanoid that existed years ago. But why link it to humans. A dog is a dog, you don't see them changing into a cow. Yeah we all adapt to different situations and enviroments, but we don't really change. If that was the case why is it that people living in the poles or artic frozen areas lost their hair as animals/monkeys. You would think those people would keep that warm hair, and maybe people from the tropics lost it, but no, we are all humans with the same features.

the dna being 99% the same is like saying all hondas are the same because they share the same basic construction and work just like the next model. Engines have 99% similar design, suspension components have 99% similar design, etc, so they all must be the same car.

I think that design of animal, monkey, chimp, human, worked fine, so it was used or copied to create different creatures, but not because they are all the same. Just because it was a good design.
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do you get watchtower magazine? :P
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Originally Posted by davcivic
The bible doesn't say a different species of animal did not exist, it does say there where different beasts and monsters, that's just the wording it uses, both on land and sea. Those creatures that where eventually killed off could very well be part of those beasts that where created before man.

Could they have been tests to perfect what we are know humans, maybe "prototypes" of man to see if it would work out, until eventually the man as we are now was created and we are the final "production" animal. Who knows, the bible doesn't explain it, and it is not necessary to live.

We know for a fact that dinosaurs existed, there's bones there's proof that some type of giant reptile looking, but it's really a bird as scientists say now, existed. There's proof or bones of some type of animal/humanoid that existed years ago. But why link it to humans. A dog is a dog, you don't see them changing into a cow. Yeah we all adapt to different situations and enviroments, but we don't really change. If that was the case why is it that people living in the poles or artic frozen areas lost their hair as animals/monkeys. You would think those people would keep that warm hair, and maybe people from the tropics lost it, but no, we are all humans with the same features.

the dna being 99% the same is like saying all hondas are the same because they share the same basic construction and work just like the next model. Engines have 99% similar design, suspension components have 99% similar design, etc, so they all must be the same car.

I think that design of animal, monkey, chimp, human, worked fine, so it was used or copied to create different creatures, but not because they are all the same. Just because it was a good design.


Your explanation is better than the other one I heard, "dinosaurs didn't exist and their bones were placed by Satan to convince humans god didn't exist."

How can you say Humans don't really change? The biggest example is human races. Blacks adapted to African conditions with skin pigments and athletic abilities, whites have pale skin becuase of the migration to cooler climates and Asian were preconditioned with squinty eyes to read computer screens. With the changes in human migration the same people do not stay in the same regions to allow drastic changes. Yeah you don't see a dog changing into a cow but given enough time the dog's form will undergo changes becuase of evolution and its offspring could begin to evolve into something completely different.
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Originally Posted by rawr
do you get watchtower magazine? :P
Yep.

Also I find it funny that people speak about neanderthals and such as if they were there to witness it: "I was there when it happened so it's true!" c'mon people, the only "Facts" you have to go on are speculations from man, nothing more. And it's funny because whenever you talk to someone who denies the existence of a God they tell you to "prove" it. OK for one thing- look around you, look at this beautiful creation we call Earth. and secondly That's why it's called faith, the belief in things un-seen, that's like the very definition of it.

faith ( P ) Pronunciation Key (fth)
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Belief that does not rest on logical proof or material evidence. See Synonyms at belief. See Synonyms at trust.
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I for one am not arrogant enough to think that I know the answers as to how things were millions of years ago, and the fact that humans use 1/10th of one percent of our brain power should tell us something. Anything we come up with will be flawed, think about this fact: everything we can relate to has a beginning and an end, think about the concept of forever, you can't because your mind cannot comprehend it. So we try to come up with reasons that we can justify, because humans don't like not knowing.

In the end we must face the fact that we are not going to be the ones to save ourselves, we must look to our creator he is the only one who knows what we truly need.

Facts are what you make them to be. Think about it, reputable scientists could get together and say, "hey we found a new speicies of dinosaur and we're calling it the Thesaurus now they didn't even have to find anything they could just say it, but you being a normal person hear that on the news and think, wow, cool another dinosaur, and at that point it becomes fact in your mind. My point being, just because you read scientific theories and supposed "hard facts" does not mean that's the way things are.

Again it comes back to putting your faith in man, or your faith in God.
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Originally Posted by 96turboracer
Yep.

Also I find it funny that people speak about neanderthals and such as if they were there to witness it: "I was there when it happened so it's true!" c'mon people, the only "Facts" you have to go on are speculations from man, nothing more. And it's funny because whenever you talk to someone who denies the existence of a God they tell you to "prove" it. OK for one thing- look around you, look at this beautiful creation we call Earth. and secondly That's why it's called faith, the belief in things un-seen, that's like the very definition of it.

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I have faith that God doesn't think I'm an idiot, or that he is playing head games with me. When I find fossil records of extinct species, I figure they existed.
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Originally Posted by rawr
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yeah, you want me to send you some?

Originally Posted by Whitey


Your explanation is better than the other one I heard, "dinosaurs didn't exist and their bones were placed by Satan to convince humans god didn't exist."

How can you say Humans don't really change? The biggest example is human races. Blacks adapted to African conditions with skin pigments and athletic abilities, whites have pale skin becuase of the migration to cooler climates and Asian were preconditioned with squinty eyes to read computer screens. With the changes in human migration the same people do not stay in the same regions to allow drastic changes. Yeah you don't see a dog changing into a cow but given enough time the dog's form will undergo changes becuase of evolution and its offspring could begin to evolve into something completely different.
Now that's just stupid, they are there, I have seen them and touched them. Some people just have the wrong idea about many things. I'm just speculating, because again the bible doesn't say much about the history before humans. It says the earth was first a ball of fire, while it was being formed, agrees with science there, then it says that plants where created, maybe starting the cycle to clean the air and make oxygen, makes sense, but we don't know. Then animals where created first. After that humans. it doesn't specify what animals or what they where, but looking at the fossils found, you have to conclude big extinct animals where there. Maybe they had a special purpose and then died, who knows.

Humans do change, they adapt to different situations, but they are still human, they are not becoming another type of humanoid, although looking at some people makes you think about it , but in the end they are not becoming a new species, but a new race. Again with the dogs, there's hundreds of different dogs, but they are all still dogs. Just because on dog now has no tail or less hair doesn't make it a new animal.

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I have faith that God doesn't think I'm an idiot, or that he is playing head games with me. When I find fossil records of extinct species, I figure they existed.
I agree with you on that 350million percent...not that its a real number but you get the point...He isn't but some religions that don't understand the bible completely have different ideas of how the lets say "spiritual world" works. So people get confused and stupidity comes into play, everyone wants to belive what they want, and it all goes to hell....

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Originally Posted by davcivic
He isn't but some religions that don't understand the bible completely have different ideas of how the lets say "spiritual world" works. So people get confused and stupidity comes into play, everyone wants to belive what they want, and it all goes to hell....
The Sensuous World by David Abrahms very clearly delineates how "primitive" cultures view the "spirit world" versus how us westerners view how they see it. Seems that *we* are the ones with the crude simplistic ideas...
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