God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
03-24-2006, 03:33 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
I have faith that God doesn't think I'm an idiot, or that he is playing head games with me. When I find fossil records of extinct species, I figure they existed.
03-24-2006, 03:48 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by davcivic
Humans do change, they adapt to different situations, but they are still human, they are not becoming another type of humanoid, although looking at some people makes you think about it 
, but in the end they are not becoming a new species, but a new race. Again with the dogs, there's hundreds of different dogs, but they are all still dogs. Just because on dog now has no tail or less hair doesn't make it a new animal.
, but in the end they are not becoming a new species, but a new race. Again with the dogs, there's hundreds of different dogs, but they are all still dogs. Just because on dog now has no tail or less hair doesn't make it a new animal.See thats where we differ. You see humans as its own species where I see humans as just very advanced primates. I think the visible tial on a human fetus is the last sign of our evolution.
03-24-2006, 03:59 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
To the believers in this forum, I have a few questions for you:
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
Even though every religious person in here is the first to say "IT ISN'T A CULT" do you realize that the definition of cult is:
"1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease."
which basically turns every religion into a cult?
Ok, I'm done with my questions for now.
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
Even though every religious person in here is the first to say "IT ISN'T A CULT" do you realize that the definition of cult is:
"1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease."
which basically turns every religion into a cult?
Ok, I'm done with my questions for now.
03-24-2006, 04:17 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Darkelvis
To the believers in this forum, I have a few questions for you:
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
Even though every religious person in here is the first to say "IT ISN'T A CULT" do you realize that the definition of cult is:
"1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease."
which basically turns every religion into a cult?
Ok, I'm done with my questions for now.
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
Even though every religious person in here is the first to say "IT ISN'T A CULT" do you realize that the definition of cult is:
"1a. A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.
b. The followers of such a religion or sect.
2. A system or community of religious worship and ritual.
3. The formal means of expressing religious reverence; religious ceremony and ritual.
4. A usually nonscientific method or regimen claimed by its originator to have exclusive or exceptional power in curing a particular disease."
which basically turns every religion into a cult?
Ok, I'm done with my questions for now.
I once heard this definition:
cult: a small unpopular religion
religion: a large popular cult.
03-24-2006, 04:21 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
This is how I see it. Everyone is free to have their own religion, cult, etc. Just keep that ---- to yourself. If you come up to my doorstep and try to tell me how to live my life and I'm going to hell if I don't practice this or that, ---- YOU. You are wrong to tell anyone that.
If want to tell me how it has improved your life and how you stop smoking crack, stealing, and have found the lord and have reconciled your ways. Cool, good for you. That doesn't mean that you should put my way of life down. It can be mearly a suggestion. Religion can help people. It can give some hope, or giving to a better cause, or many other sacrificial things that are good. Children can even benefit from the moral and ethical teachings of SOME religions.
Going with the definition of a cult posted up by Darkelvis, I can say this. If a reilgion is too extreme or has unethical ways, then it is a cult and they can all get a rope and actually do something for this world by leaving it.
If want to tell me how it has improved your life and how you stop smoking crack, stealing, and have found the lord and have reconciled your ways. Cool, good for you. That doesn't mean that you should put my way of life down. It can be mearly a suggestion. Religion can help people. It can give some hope, or giving to a better cause, or many other sacrificial things that are good. Children can even benefit from the moral and ethical teachings of SOME religions.
Going with the definition of a cult posted up by Darkelvis, I can say this. If a reilgion is too extreme or has unethical ways, then it is a cult and they can all get a rope and actually do something for this world by leaving it.
03-24-2006, 04:27 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by MADMAX
Going with the definition of a cult posted up by Darkelvis, I can say this. If a reilgion is too extreme or has unethical ways, then it is a cult and they can all get a rope and actually do something for this world by leaving it.
03-24-2006, 04:52 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Darkelvis
To the believers in this forum, I have a few questions for you:
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
Before Christianity, did everyone go to hell?
Do 2 week old babies that die of complications related to birth (<---just an example of why they may die) go to hell? They are too young to comprehend religion, therefore they aren't following religion.
Why does god let children die right after birth?
Do the starving little African children that christian groups try to get me to sponsor go to hell? They are the poorest of the poor and are constantly getting help from christian groups, but they aren't christian.
Why does god let the poor african children die?
Do people that are mentally challenged and are unable to comprehend religion go to hell?
Why does god let people be born with downs syndrome and other illnesses?
Does it bother you that almost EVERY major religion has a hell type place and that if you aren't of their religion you are going to hell? (eg if you aren't christian you are going to hell, if you aren't hindu you are going to hell, if you aren't muslim you are going to hell, etc...) Whats to say that the religion that you find the most crazy is the one that is right?
To begin with the major of your points. I don't believe in hell. Theres no such thing as hell.
What the bible calls hell is just death. When you die, that's it....you are dead. The Bible tells us that the dead are unconscious; they are in a condition best compared to sleep.
Ecclesiastes 9:5, 10 - 5. For the living are conscious that they will die; but as for the dead, they are conscious of nothing at all, neither do they anymore have wages, because the remembrance of them has been forgotten.
10. All that your hand finds to do, do with your very power, for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge nor wisdom in She´ol, the place to which you are going.
John 11:11-14 - 11 He said these things, and after this he said to them: “Laz´a·rus our friend has gone to rest, but I am journeying there to awaken him from sleep.” 12 Therefore the disciples said to him: “Lord, if he has gone to rest, he will get well.” 13 Jesus had spoken, however, about his death. But they imagined he was speaking about taking rest in sleep. 14 At that time, therefore, Jesus said to them outspokenly: “Laz´a·rus has died,
There's others but that should kinda clear it, well what I believe
03-24-2006, 04:55 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Darkelvis
Yes, but I may see a witness to be extreme and have unethical ways, thereby making them part of a cult, whereas they may see a wiccan (just an example) to be extreme and having unethical ways, which makes wicca a cult. See what I mean?
When it comes down to it, what I know and what I believe in is based on my bible studies, not because someone told me believe this and I blindly believe in it.
03-24-2006, 05:20 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Whitey
Your explanation is better than the other one I heard, "dinosaurs didn't exist and their bones were placed by Satan to convince humans god didn't exist."
How can you say Humans don't really change? The biggest example is human races. Blacks adapted to African conditions with skin pigments and athletic abilities, whites have pale skin becuase of the migration to cooler climates and Asian were preconditioned with squinty eyes to read computer screens. With the changes in human migration the same people do not stay in the same regions to allow drastic changes. Yeah you don't see a dog changing into a cow but given enough time the dog's form will undergo changes becuase of evolution and its offspring could begin to evolve into something completely different.
03-24-2006, 05:23 PM
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Re: God damned Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Originally Posted by Whitey
Your explanation is better than the other one I heard, "dinosaurs didn't exist and their bones were placed by Satan to convince humans god didn't exist."
Who told you that Whitey?Also davcivic, thats where we differ. I believe there is a hell, you do not.
Matthew 5:29
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Mark 9
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If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.
If your right eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is better for you to lose one part of your body than for your whole body to be thrown into hell.
Mark 9
3If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life maimed than with two hands to go into hell, where the fire never goes out.
Revelation 20:14-15
Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death, the lake of fire. And if anyone's name was not found recorded in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.
