QikEnuF

Don't worry, we post that for you. ------. Get the ---- off of this site if you are here to be a ------- tool. You probably couldn't do half the things this guy is doing. That said, I hope you get impregnated by a penguin and then abort the fetus into your ---- cavity. Then I hope said fetus matures and you die from not being able to ---- due to a mature penguin in your -------.

Urinemachine

haha that's a ... creative response lol

CRXDrew

haha... wtf? Anyway... mods should delete unnecessary posts of douche-baggery. Or if needed at a later time begin raping the idiot in another general discussion thread.

fe3tcourier

Wow, the ---- really hit the fan here didn't it!

I've been REALLY busy and not checked in on hmt for a few weeks. I have a few comments to make about some of the things said in this thread.

firstly, you are doing a GREAT job on the TIG work etc :-) build looks great. your talent and taste are never in question (except the fuel pump choice maybe)

In time order :

I wouldn't count on that being
A ready when you need it (stick to using existing ms products with hacks and patches and mods or look elsewhere, waiting for a ms product to be released is like waiting to grow old and die)
B functionally correct in hardware of software when its released for public viewing. (all current ms boards have a number of serious hardware faults (that can be worked around), and all grippo software released thus far has been untidy, hacky, undocumented, monolithic and at least partially non-functional)
C supported by James and Ken (who do write code that works) in a short period of time (which you will need for it to be much use at all...)

Don't take the comments in this post as a MS bash, they are just "saying it how it is", I 100% recommend megasquirt2/v3.0 board setups with ms2e code on them to anyone that needs an affordable stand alone that works really well right now.

In the future I hope to not be able to say that (laughs at secret plan)

I'm not so sure about the timing of your achievements with respect to the achievements of others around the place.

I find it quite ironic that you say that. when i suggested that your estimated power was on the high side and through some math at you to support it, you implied i was wrong and told me that you were making 350hp (? i forget the figure) on 250hp worth of fuel!! if thats not elitist (ignoring simple physics) i dont know what is!

You have the distinction of being the first person i've seen on msextra/msefi EVER to be trying to flame another user there! (thread with xtatic) perhaps theres a reason that you have that reputation!

I don't believe the criticism comes from the name, though the name is kinda funny.

probably because it DOESN'T do ALL the things that you want, and it often doesnt do what it does do "properly" (if you mean that in the true sense)

I don't know about them, but i have a solid list of things that it does wrongly. PM for details if you are interested.

It has the quality (excellent in fact) and it has the reliability (when installed and built properly), but hes right man, it doesnt have the nuts, not particularly in cpu/bus, but in peripheral components.

He's quite right. As great as ms2e IS, and i love it, In both the case of ms2 and ms1, the thing works well because of the genius behind the software, lets be honest here, as far as cpus go, they do indeed suck. thanks go great guys like James and Ken and others behind the extra code variants, ms has become popular for its feature set and cost, not for its accuracy and precise control. the fueling on the ms2 with ms2e is awesome though, particularly on an engine with 1cc of injector per 1cc of displacement or less. above that, there are serious limitations because of only having two channels.

DUDE, its got 500 bytes, half a K 4000 bits, less than what is used to represent this post FFS the ms1 cpu is made to work with sheer brilliance in the code department. Thank James and others for that!

its got boost control etc. thats why its popular, not why it works.

NO, it isn't. Trust me, BSc in computer science, much time spent fiddling code! Its just not IF you want precise control of timing, and pulsewidth. The ms2 processor is quick enough, but lacks hardware, and is only marginally quick enough.

Most certainly yes! :-)

8MHz for the ms1 and 8 bit too i think 68hc908 i think. 24MHz bus speed WITH PLL engaged on the ms2 hc9s12C64 core, but 16bit.

Yes it is :-)

theres a lot more than you'd think. the ms1 for instance doesnt have a hardware divide! consider a simple equation for calcuation of fuel pulsewidth, then break it down into asm, and see what extra "chores" it has to do, and then look at the time frame it has to do it in. its actually got quite a lot to do. once again, sheer brilliance on the part of James Murray and others makes it work acceptably.

no, the serial comms are two ended, buffering data, handling tx and rx interrupts etc takes time.

Far from it, but it is good enough, depending on what you want and expect.

driving a car on it doesnt mean its working well or optimally.

this may be true, i dont even know who we are talking about etc, but i thought it important to put a bit of balance into this discussion for truths sake.

consider this, i have a ms running my engine, i like it, it works well, i support it on the forums, i recommend it to friends and acquaintances and generally think that with ms2 and ms2e and a v3.0 board its a pretty good system regardless and esp for the dollars you pay, but i am STILL saying these things. why. could it be because i'm honest and a realist?

i like ms, but that doesnt mean i'll lie about what it is and is not. it has faults (most systems do) but they are livable. its not perfect though. pretending that it is is sheer ignorance and stupidity.

over the next few months the cheap EMS world is going to get a BIG shake up courtesy of me. keep your eyes open for that.

over and out, fred.

Urinemachine

Annnnnnywaaaaaaaaaaay


Updates!

Picked up 2 of these



4 channel Innovate EGT loggers. I will have 8 ports to play with - I figure I'll do 6 manifold runners, one pre turbo in collector, and one post turbo in down pipe just for reference/learning.



Also, my friend sent me this pic today, finished up our torque plate which means time for block machining and assembly!!!

Urinemachine

I took the radiator support up today and used my newly acquired satin black powder coat - came out sick.




Then I went and painted the fuel tank with some enamel black stuff Jay had - it looks like it will dry very tough.

seerex

Damn it just keeps geting better.

klyph

explain this torque plate to me.

ichbinsobose

jist of it:
torque down the head with studs and cylinders deform slightly

bore the engine with a torque plater attached to simulate the head in order to have the cyls be at correct shape when deformed by the studs

HiProfile

The problem everyone on bf.c seems to have after x amount of boosted miles is their HG goes. So far (to my knowlege, anyway) none of them have ever attempted *contacting* Darton to question them about resleeving w/stepped or o-ringed sleeves. There is the occational person who o-rings a stock block, but they use a steel wire and stock HG, rather than copper wire and MLS HG. Iono... There seems to be only 1 person making any attempt at researching the blocks, he got a 'spare' and cut it into like 10 pieces. :1

The thing that some arguing fools don't realize is that a certain ecu that was designed in the 80's and is still used almost exclusively for a certain brand vehicle can make 700+ whp upto/past 10k rpm on a tiny 4-cylinder. That would be the p28-style ecu & variants. Seriously though, think of what they had in the early 90's vs today. If you could get a PC that took a week to calculate X digits of Pi back then, and today a ---- PC can do that in a minute, just think how 'slow' automotive ECU's were back then. Its kind of like the Crome/Neptune/Hondata/etc debates. Sure, Neptune sure is hot ---- vs Crome, but Crome certainly can do what's needed. Same with MS2. /rant


Let me know how the TC-4 works out. That's my next purchase for next x-mas. If you haven't spent a load on the sensors yet, there are people that make the k-types (and they are just as good quality) mainly for airplanes, and they're 1/3 the price you'd purchase them from Innovate. Just in case you feel like saving some cash... Again, cool ---- you're doing.