CRXDrew

God.. that type... they need to get off Hitler's ****. I look forward to seeing you stomp out a few "purists"

Urinemachine

I drove my car on an MS1/Extra v3.0 modified for factory coil on plug etc etc, launch control, boost control, etc., and there are a group on there that still insists that the MS "will work" but will not "work properly". I could write a novel on this subject and in the grand scheme of things, my car has done done like 15 - 20k miles on MS reliably at 15 psi no break downs ever. My friends car is cutting 10's in the 1/4 on a 2.8L 24v stock engine and a turbo setup on a MS.

Does it surprise you to know that the guys saying it "doesn't work well" are the guys that chiptune for a living? He admits some standalones are good - then goes on to list Motec and Bosch Motorsport ECUs that are like $15k+. It doesn't phase him that the rest of the world is making reliable, high horsepower on platforms he finds "less than optimal". But anyway...

b18.

I don't understand how the marque would automatically effect the performance in someone's eyes.

Is brand name association really that deep-rooted? I mean if it does all the things you need it to properly, then it works properly.

What does he believe it doesn't do properly?

Urinemachine

He doesn't think it has the processing power or reliability or quality to accurately and dependably analyze sensor inputs (map, intake, coolant, rpm) and manipulate outputs (fuel and spark). Its an up-hill argument that now has me "timeout'd" for the... 3rd time? He's a supporting vendor and claims to be an engineer. Basically I think he likes to hear himself speak and likes when his cronies follow what he says. He said the MS2 CPU is still not good, but it does a "better job" of handling the task. It's relatively stupid because like I said my car drove 100% like stock for 15 - 20k miles and I have friends cutting faster times than any of his turbo kits/tunes are able to do with the stock ECU, but yet the ECU is "works" but doesn't "work good enough". There's so much I could say about it but I think that about covers it. What's cake is that he has like 10 or so cronies that hang out at his shop down in Atlanta, of which a few are like... 18 - 19 years old and in school, none of those few even have turbo cars yet hang out on the FI board and basically give their advice which is really not self-motivated but rather comes from this guy and his philosophies and what they read in books. Sure the actual MHz speed of the MS-1 CPU in a book will not sound very good. But when you consider what it has to do compared to the stock ECU it becomes more apparent as to why it works.

insert more nerd talk

b18.

The processor isn't quick enough?

Is he serious? Does he know the output of the leveling computers used in the early Explorer missions? Sub-giga-hertz processing. The bus speed is what really matters, and when the thing only has to access a matrix based on a few inputs there isn't very much computing going on.

It doesn't even need to bother with an interface, the laptop does all that. The thing is perfect, he's an elitist and won't back down.

mattbarn

Heh, stereotype much? You're kinda right.

You've gone through many time outs because you resort to personal attacks instead of replying to the content of people's posts.

I remember one instance when you implied that I didn't know how to act because I go to public school... Class move there. (not that you got TO for that specifically)

We've run MS with good results in some applications also. The Wreckracing car ran really well for a while, making 250whp on a tiny K26 with amazing response and performance. Then it got cold and it wouldn't start. :rofl

We built that motor/ecu/turbo setup for something like $1000. But I digress...

Sweet... more personal attacks on a forum none of us are on to defend ourselves on.

We are in school... engineering school. The same one your nemesis went to, graduated from, and sponsors a racing team at.

God forbid we should apply some science to what we do.

BigBird

This is HMT get the ---- out ******. If you come here to bash a project like this you better back it up with some primo ****.

thiggyperformance

Introduction? Who the hell are you mat barn

mattbarn

Who's bashing? I am just here because my ears were burning.

I have nothing but respect for what UM does with his car.

Looks like you already know...

Thanks for the warm welcome.

I didn't see an introduction forum... where shall I post my bio/resume/HS and college transcripts/credit history/family tree for you guys to scrutinize?

BigBird

The intro post is stickied for ---- sakes, go read it. Bashing or not you must post ****.