dumbassssssesssssssssss
01-27-2008, 09:58 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by lkailburn
same with the license suspension thing. if your such a bad driver you get your license revoked or suspended, the government is trying to protect ME not you. you're the dangerous one who can't follow common sense. and if you do get your license removed, the government didn't say you can't work. you can ride a bike, you can walk, you can take a bus? public forms of transportation should be plentiful. or are you phsyically incapable of doing those tasks?
-Luke
01-27-2008, 10:00 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by scottsi
Your license can get revoked for anything. Failure to show up for court, failure to pay child support, theres tons of little stupid things that will make your license become suspended
01-27-2008, 10:17 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by random-strike
yea like be scared of firearms 
i've already made plenty of valid, undeniable points.
1. nothing will not stop anyone from using a firearm in anyway they want.
2. give an inch, and they'll take a mile. now its a 5 hour class to buy a pistol, next its registration, then its confiscation
3. all studies done on conclead carry have shown a drop in random violence, no hollywood "wild west" shootouts
4. "gun free" washington d.c. has the highest gun crime rate in the united states.
are you going to even attempt a rebuttal of these facts? or are your woman like feelings going to kick in and say ATLEAST we'll know they took a test!
i've already made plenty of valid, undeniable points.
1. nothing will not stop anyone from using a firearm in anyway they want.
2. give an inch, and they'll take a mile. now its a 5 hour class to buy a pistol, next its registration, then its confiscation
3. all studies done on conclead carry have shown a drop in random violence, no hollywood "wild west" shootouts
4. "gun free" washington d.c. has the highest gun crime rate in the united states.
are you going to even attempt a rebuttal of these facts? or are your woman like feelings going to kick in and say ATLEAST we'll know they took a test!
1. no. no one can control willpower. not even the god you worship. But removing or increasing gun laws will have no affect on this either. so how does it support your point? it doesn't. it simply proves people have willpower? which we already all knew. so bring something else to the table.
2. you obviously are afraid of government as much as i'm "afraid of guns" as you put it. again, i bring up the point of society. a society without any kind of guidelines is anarchy. no society can ever exist like that. so just because there is a government doesn't mean they will always chew up all your liberties. look at the constitution buddy. you love to quote from it. why don't you quote me the part about how the government exists SOLELY to serve its constituents. if the people are unhappy with the government they overthrow it and build a new one. governmental laws exist to protect its people. you can always play the well they'll take everything we have. but have they? no. how long have we had guns? have they taken a mile yet? nope.
3. show me the studies. lets see how many were done, where were they located? here's some more studies for ya:
National Academy of Science has found no evidence that shows right-to-carry laws have an impact, either way, on rates of violent crime
Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws, enacted by many states, require parents to store firearms safely, to minimize access by children to guns, while maintaining ease of access by adults.The National Bureau of Economic Research has found that CAP laws reduce non-fatal gun injuries among both children and adults by 30-40%
4. actually it doesn't. its 7th on the list. the other 6 in front of it even have varying city sizes, some smaller some larger so its not based on population either. you can play the what if game all you want but there is no way you can support your claim that "if everyone in dc was packing it would be safer". thats what i'm getting after. you have nothing to support your position that everyone should be able to just go buy a gun at the gas station with no checks, no tests, no anything.
Are we done yet?
-Luke
01-27-2008, 10:36 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by lkailburn
If i respond to these statements are you going to respond to mine? like about how europe is such a degrading area...yet the U.S.dollar is plummeting in comparison to the Euro? or the fact that removing your license doesn't inhibate your ability to work? or that a society with NO governing body would fail to exist etc etc. all 3 damn pages of them lol
1. no. no one can control willpower. not even the god you worship. But removing or increasing gun laws will have no affect on this either. so how does it support your point? it doesn't. it simply proves people have willpower? which we already all knew. so bring something else to the table.
2. you obviously are afraid of government as much as i'm "afraid of guns" as you put it. again, i bring up the point of society. a society without any kind of guidelines is anarchy. no society can ever exist like that. so just because there is a government doesn't mean they will always chew up all your liberties. look at the constitution buddy. you love to quote from it. why don't you quote me the part about how the government exists SOLELY to serve its constituents. if the people are unhappy with the government they overthrow it and build a new one. governmental laws exist to protect its people. you can always play the well they'll take everything we have. but have they? no. how long have we had guns? have they taken a mile yet? nope.
3. show me the studies. lets see how many were done, where were they located? here's some more studies for ya:
National Academy of Science has found no evidence that shows right-to-carry laws have an impact, either way, on rates of violent crime
Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws, enacted by many states, require parents to store firearms safely, to minimize access by children to guns, while maintaining ease of access by adults.The National Bureau of Economic Research has found that CAP laws reduce non-fatal gun injuries among both children and adults by 30-40%
4. actually it doesn't. its 7th on the list. the other 6 in front of it even have varying city sizes, some smaller some larger so its not based on population either. you can play the what if game all you want but there is no way you can support your claim that "if everyone in dc was packing it would be safer". thats what i'm getting after. you have nothing to support your position that everyone should be able to just go buy a gun at the gas station with no checks, no tests, no anything.
Are we done yet?
-Luke
1. no. no one can control willpower. not even the god you worship. But removing or increasing gun laws will have no affect on this either. so how does it support your point? it doesn't. it simply proves people have willpower? which we already all knew. so bring something else to the table.
2. you obviously are afraid of government as much as i'm "afraid of guns" as you put it. again, i bring up the point of society. a society without any kind of guidelines is anarchy. no society can ever exist like that. so just because there is a government doesn't mean they will always chew up all your liberties. look at the constitution buddy. you love to quote from it. why don't you quote me the part about how the government exists SOLELY to serve its constituents. if the people are unhappy with the government they overthrow it and build a new one. governmental laws exist to protect its people. you can always play the well they'll take everything we have. but have they? no. how long have we had guns? have they taken a mile yet? nope.
3. show me the studies. lets see how many were done, where were they located? here's some more studies for ya:
National Academy of Science has found no evidence that shows right-to-carry laws have an impact, either way, on rates of violent crime
Child Access Prevention (CAP) laws, enacted by many states, require parents to store firearms safely, to minimize access by children to guns, while maintaining ease of access by adults.The National Bureau of Economic Research has found that CAP laws reduce non-fatal gun injuries among both children and adults by 30-40%
4. actually it doesn't. its 7th on the list. the other 6 in front of it even have varying city sizes, some smaller some larger so its not based on population either. you can play the what if game all you want but there is no way you can support your claim that "if everyone in dc was packing it would be safer". thats what i'm getting after. you have nothing to support your position that everyone should be able to just go buy a gun at the gas station with no checks, no tests, no anything.
Are we done yet?
-Luke
i'm talking about very limited federal government, and a very limited government on the state and local level also.
1. god i worship? where did that come from? this does support my point, you're only punishing people who will abide by these laws, criminals will not. why do you want to punish me for doing nothing? why do you want to restrict my rights? you admit no law will ever stop anyone from doing anything, so why do you support them?
did you know being a queer greatly increases your chances of getting AIDS? should there be have a test before you can engage in gay sex? should every aspiring homosexual take a 5 hour course on how to not get AIDS? will not that stop them? I'm sure you're not concearned with this, it would be bigoted and insensitive to make them take a class on *** sex right?
2. yes i am very afraid of the government, why shouldn't I? they steal thousands of dollars from me every month, and then use that money against me. they try to control my life, and tell me its for my own good.
we're not talking about anarchy, we're talking about limited government, you know the way this country was... and the concepts and principals that made this country the greatest and most free ever on earth.
how can you say government will not take everything we have... look at **** germany (socialists, they also confiscated firearms). look at the soviet union...
3. search google for those studies. and even if some law did stop some kid from killing himself with his pops gun who cares? its not my problem that someone's kid shot themself. personal responsibility and accountability, it should not be societies job to make sure people do not hurt themselves. if someones kid got their dads gun and shot your kid... this is why we have a court system. that person would be held liable civilly.
4. once again, use google. studies have shown more concealed carry equals less gun violence. if you knew every single person around you was carrying a firearm, WOULD YOU TRY TO ROB SOMEONE? too bad they didn't have a masters program in common sense. right now, you can go buy a long rifle with no check or test, only money. OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING, PEOPLE ARE SNIPIN' PEOPLE IN THE STREETS! I CAN'T EVEN WALK OUTSIDE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMMITING CRIMES WITH LONG GUNS!
thinking a test or a firearm course will not stop firearms from being used in the wrong way is very naive. i can just picture someone sitting in a firearms course and coming to a realisation "ooohhh you're NOT supposed to shoot people... i get it now. :1"
01-27-2008, 10:54 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by random-strike
im not talking about NO GOVERNMENT. way to jump to ridiculous conclusions.
i'm talking about very limited federal government, and a very limited government on the state and local level also.
1. god i worship? where did that come from? this does support my point, you're only punishing people who will abide by these laws, criminals will not. why do you want to punish me for doing nothing? why do you want to restrict my rights? you admit no law will ever stop anyone from doing anything, so why do you support them?
did you know being a queer greatly increases your chances of getting AIDS? should there be have a test before you can engage in gay sex? should every aspiring homosexual take a 5 hour course on how to not get AIDS? will not that stop them? I'm sure you're not concearned with this, it would be bigoted and insensitive to make them take a class on *** sex right?
2. yes i am very afraid of the government, why shouldn't I? they steal thousands of dollars from me every month, and then use that money against me. they try to control my life, and tell me its for my own good.
we're not talking about anarchy, we're talking about limited government, you know the way this country was... and the concepts and principals that made this country the greatest and most free ever on earth.
how can you say government will not take everything we have... look at **** germany (socialists, they also confiscated firearms). look at the soviet union...
3. search google for those studies. and even if some law did stop some kid from killing himself with his pops gun who cares? its not my problem that someone's kid shot themself. personal responsibility and accountability, it should not be societies job to make sure people do not hurt themselves. if someones kid got their dads gun and shot your kid... this is why we have a court system. that person would be held liable civilly.
4. once again, use google. studies have shown more concealed carry equals less gun violence. if you knew every single person around you was carrying a firearm, WOULD YOU TRY TO ROB SOMEONE? too bad they didn't have a masters program in common sense. right now, you can go buy a long rifle with no check or test, only money. OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING, PEOPLE ARE SNIPIN' PEOPLE IN THE STREETS! I CAN'T EVEN WALK OUTSIDE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMMITING CRIMES WITH LONG GUNS!
thinking a test or a firearm course will not stop firearms from being used in the wrong way is very naive. i can just picture someone sitting in a firearms course and coming to a realisation "ooohhh you're NOT supposed to shoot people... i get it now. :1"
i'm talking about very limited federal government, and a very limited government on the state and local level also.
1. god i worship? where did that come from? this does support my point, you're only punishing people who will abide by these laws, criminals will not. why do you want to punish me for doing nothing? why do you want to restrict my rights? you admit no law will ever stop anyone from doing anything, so why do you support them?
did you know being a queer greatly increases your chances of getting AIDS? should there be have a test before you can engage in gay sex? should every aspiring homosexual take a 5 hour course on how to not get AIDS? will not that stop them? I'm sure you're not concearned with this, it would be bigoted and insensitive to make them take a class on *** sex right?
2. yes i am very afraid of the government, why shouldn't I? they steal thousands of dollars from me every month, and then use that money against me. they try to control my life, and tell me its for my own good.
we're not talking about anarchy, we're talking about limited government, you know the way this country was... and the concepts and principals that made this country the greatest and most free ever on earth.
how can you say government will not take everything we have... look at **** germany (socialists, they also confiscated firearms). look at the soviet union...
3. search google for those studies. and even if some law did stop some kid from killing himself with his pops gun who cares? its not my problem that someone's kid shot themself. personal responsibility and accountability, it should not be societies job to make sure people do not hurt themselves. if someones kid got their dads gun and shot your kid... this is why we have a court system. that person would be held liable civilly.
4. once again, use google. studies have shown more concealed carry equals less gun violence. if you knew every single person around you was carrying a firearm, WOULD YOU TRY TO ROB SOMEONE? too bad they didn't have a masters program in common sense. right now, you can go buy a long rifle with no check or test, only money. OMG THE WORLD IS ENDING, PEOPLE ARE SNIPIN' PEOPLE IN THE STREETS! I CAN'T EVEN WALK OUTSIDE BECAUSE SO MANY PEOPLE ARE COMMITING CRIMES WITH LONG GUNS!
thinking a test or a firearm course will not stop firearms from being used in the wrong way is very naive. i can just picture someone sitting in a firearms course and coming to a realisation "ooohhh you're NOT supposed to shoot people... i get it now. :1"
1. everyone has willpower no matter what. be it capitalist democratic or communism socialism. no it DOES not support your point because people have willpower. if no one carried a gun or everyone carried a gun the person can STILL choose to take out a weapon and shoot someone. if they want to do it they will. end of point
2. well we agree on one thing then? a society with no government is anarchy. but again look at OUR government. we live in the U.S. so we are talking about the U.S. government. have they taken away all your rights with guns? no. how long has it been? hundreds of years. are they really going to take "the whole mile" in your life time? nope. so you have nothing to worry about.
3. yes you can say well who cares about johnny's kid down the street who accidentally got shot. but what about when YOU get shot by johnny's kid. then what? your family will just look at you and say "meh oh well it wasn't me who got shot'. your friends will say "phew i'm glad i didn't get shot, its none of my business."
4. RE READ: National Academy of Science has found no evidence that shows right-to-carry laws have an impact, either way, on rates of violent crime
NO DIFFERENCE EITHER WAY.
therefore..if someone wants to commit the crime, they use their willpower and do it anyways. and stop jumping to ridiculous conclusions. if ALL limitations were removed, not everyone is going to carry. infact i bet you'd only see a small increased precentage. nothing like the 90% increase you jump to.
btw, yay for actually having a rebuttal more than 2 sentances long. there is finally some depth to this conversation lol.
-Luke
01-27-2008, 11:04 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Dear Jesus,
Please make Luke shut the ---- up.
Sincerely, Justin.
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01-27-2008, 11:09 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Dear Jesus,
Please make Luke shut the ---- up.
Sincerely, Justin.
Please make Luke shut the ---- up.
Sincerely, Justin.
don't be pissed at me if you guys can't hold your own in a debate. go unwind your panties
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01-27-2008, 11:10 PM
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Re: dumbascommitting sssssesssssssssss
you're wrong.
1. so why have the laws if you already admit they do nothing but restrict the rights of non criminals? yes there are still people who will try and rob or shoot me while i'm armed, but guess what. i'm armed and i can defend myself now. would you rather i stand there and take it like a metrosexual?
2. for having a masters degree in something you have a very hard time with reading comprehension. where did i say anything about 90%? they haven't been trying to take away firearms for hundreds of years, not even 100 years yet.
3. yes. nothing is perfect. this is the real world. no matter what you do, something can and will happen. i'd rather take that chance and live free than the other way around
your argument for more laws is that they having completely taken away firearms yet? that is absurd...
4. search for the University of Chicago Lott and Mustard concealed permit study.
its the most indepth study ever done.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...9387712-550397
its only common sense that someone will be less likely to commit a crime if they know a good percentage of people around them are going to kill them the instant they try something.
1. so why have the laws if you already admit they do nothing but restrict the rights of non criminals? yes there are still people who will try and rob or shoot me while i'm armed, but guess what. i'm armed and i can defend myself now. would you rather i stand there and take it like a metrosexual?
2. for having a masters degree in something you have a very hard time with reading comprehension. where did i say anything about 90%? they haven't been trying to take away firearms for hundreds of years, not even 100 years yet.
3. yes. nothing is perfect. this is the real world. no matter what you do, something can and will happen. i'd rather take that chance and live free than the other way around
your argument for more laws is that they having completely taken away firearms yet? that is absurd...
4. search for the University of Chicago Lott and Mustard concealed permit study.
its the most indepth study ever done.
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/IS...9387712-550397
its only common sense that someone will be less likely to commit a crime if they know a good percentage of people around them are going to kill them the instant they try something.
01-27-2008, 11:12 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by lkailburn
[random-strike] are you repressing my freedom of speech? are you a communist?!??! [/random-srtrike]
don't be pissed at me if you guys can't hold your own in a debate. go unwind your panties
-Luke
don't be pissed at me if you guys can't hold your own in a debate. go unwind your panties
-Luke
ike i said, we can't debate emotions, which is what your half wit masters degree in faggotry opinions are based on.
you admit laws will not stop anyone, yet you still think they are great because it makes you feel better, AT LEAST THEY TOOK A TEST BEFORE THEY SHOT AND KILLED ME!
01-27-2008, 11:13 PM
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Re: dumbassssssesssssssssss
Originally Posted by lkailburn
[random-strike] are you repressing my freedom of speech? are you a communist?!??! [/random-srtrike]
don't be pissed at me if you guys can't hold your own in a debate. go unwind your panties
-Luke
don't be pissed at me if you guys can't hold your own in a debate. go unwind your panties
-Luke
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