Water Injection 2007
09-27-2007, 10:29 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by fe3tcourier
as for hitchy regurgitating that "engineering" stuff... they did not use suitable apparatus to find a power gain from the cooling effect. thus the fact that they found no gain is not surprising. the fact that they were injecting it very close to the ports might have something to do with that...
What makes they're setup unsuitable?
Originally Posted by fe3tcourier
as for air speed :
i did some caclulations just now, and we are talking about roughly 0.4seconds between water injection if done at the turbo and charge consumption at the engine. that would be 400 milli seconds, and 400 million nano seconds. thats right, 400,000,000 nano seconds. on my engine that is, with all components sized for 500hp+. not including the intercooler of course. could get it down to around 0.25 of a second with non intercooled plumbing routing... but still...
get your figures straight hitchy ;-)
i did some caclulations just now, and we are talking about roughly 0.4seconds between water injection if done at the turbo and charge consumption at the engine. that would be 400 milli seconds, and 400 million nano seconds. thats right, 400,000,000 nano seconds. on my engine that is, with all components sized for 500hp+. not including the intercooler of course. could get it down to around 0.25 of a second with non intercooled plumbing routing... but still...
get your figures straight hitchy ;-)
Your theory: Significant intake charge cooling occurs with a properly setup water/meth injection system.
My point: Prove it, when everyone says your wrong.
09-27-2007, 10:45 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Guys look spraying water into a perfectly good engine is really just retarded it's like just as gay as licking Elton Johns -------.
If a motor has knock it's not tuned right if you can't tune it out on pump gas use race gas if it starts knocking on race gas then figure out why. If it's something mechanical fix it. if it starts knocking again tune it out. Engines have limits ,running 20psi on a forged internals engine on 87 and misting it with water is stupid.
You guys picking this apart and going really deep into al this theory debate bullshit is kind of like devoting your life to finding sasquatch. Anybody want to post up some plaster foot prints our a video of you running your hand over some hole in the ground and say it's a body impression. :1 :1 :1 :1 :1 :1
I believe in Bigfoot that ***** jus don't wanna be found
If a motor has knock it's not tuned right if you can't tune it out on pump gas use race gas if it starts knocking on race gas then figure out why. If it's something mechanical fix it. if it starts knocking again tune it out. Engines have limits ,running 20psi on a forged internals engine on 87 and misting it with water is stupid.
You guys picking this apart and going really deep into al this theory debate bullshit is kind of like devoting your life to finding sasquatch. Anybody want to post up some plaster foot prints our a video of you running your hand over some hole in the ground and say it's a body impression. :1 :1 :1 :1 :1 :1
I believe in Bigfoot that ***** jus don't wanna be found
09-27-2007, 11:21 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by Dmc1
Guys look spraying water into a perfectly good engine is really just retarded it's like just as gay as licking Elton Johns -------.
If a motor has knock it's not tuned right if you can't tune it out on pump gas use race gas if it starts knocking on race gas then figure out why. If it's something mechanical fix it. if it starts knocking again tune it out. Engines have limits ,running 20psi on a forged internals engine on 87 and misting it with water is stupid.
You guys picking this apart and going really deep into al this theory debate bullshit is kind of like devoting your life to finding sasquatch. Anybody want to post up some plaster foot prints our a video of you running your hand over some hole in the ground and say it's a body impression. :1 :1 :1 :1 :1 :1
I believe in Bigfoot that ***** jus don't wanna be found
If a motor has knock it's not tuned right if you can't tune it out on pump gas use race gas if it starts knocking on race gas then figure out why. If it's something mechanical fix it. if it starts knocking again tune it out. Engines have limits ,running 20psi on a forged internals engine on 87 and misting it with water is stupid.
You guys picking this apart and going really deep into al this theory debate bullshit is kind of like devoting your life to finding sasquatch. Anybody want to post up some plaster foot prints our a video of you running your hand over some hole in the ground and say it's a body impression. :1 :1 :1 :1 :1 :1
I believe in Bigfoot that ***** jus don't wanna be found
It's not a pseudo-science, that's just because of chemical properties.
09-27-2007, 11:26 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
You can't manipulate the SURFACE AREA by any means but spraying more water.
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Liquid is incompressible
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
You get an increase in knock limit, and nothing more.
09-27-2007, 11:34 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
1) How are you going to achieve a finer atomization of water in the space and time constraints give to you by water injection?
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
09-27-2007, 11:43 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
1) How are you going to achieve a finer atomization of water in the space and time constraints give to you by water injection?
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
09-27-2007, 11:48 PM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by talonator1488
Wrong...A finer atomization of the fluid medium does provide an increase in surface area.
Wrong...Liquids are compressible but achieve far less change in volume per change in pressure than gasses do.
Isn't this the whole point of water injection to begin with and the point that fred has been arguing for 2 pages?
Wrong...Liquids are compressible but achieve far less change in volume per change in pressure than gasses do.
Isn't this the whole point of water injection to begin with and the point that fred has been arguing for 2 pages?
09-28-2007, 12:25 AM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
Originally Posted by Snafubmx234
1) How are you going to achieve a finer atomization of water in the space and time constraints give to you by water injection?
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
2) Liquids are compressible, but not enough for it to matter in this situation. Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent.
3) I believe the whole point of the argument is that Fred said it would lower IAT's... that's where the conflict started.
2. Thats what I just said. :1
"Stop trying to spit off information to make yourself sound intelligent."- Isn't that what everyone else in this thread is doing?
3. The miniscule changes in IAT are the route of the increased knock limit.
Don't argue with me I know my physics.
09-28-2007, 02:25 AM
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Re: Water Injection 2007
OKie i also feel that Water Meth is Stupid. I havent used it on my ride yet, but i have seen some guys use it and get ASTRONOMICAL results. Water/Meth give you the power to Go beyong your engine and Base octane Limits. There for it does get the thumbs up. but Understanding this beast is another story i think would should discuss the differnt method's that methonal can be injected cos there are several totally unique ways of doing it.
