Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Ok so I was able to download TurboEdit but I couldn't Figure out how to open a bin. I downloaded a bin but I couldn't find where it was at.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Hallo,

i want to test TurboEdit with my PM7 ECU.

i downloaded the last version but have some problems with that.

what i need:

- boost option
- vtec activation

why does all the rom options don't work?!? do i have the wrong rom?

Please help me...

Thanks
Malte.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Which ROM did you download?

You wont be able to activate VTEC from your PM7 ECU.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Hi,

thanks for your quick answer.
i did some testing and now i can switch to double map (boost maps) on the PGMFI-NG28.bin rom from the turboedit homepage and the pm7_ng26.bin map found in the pgmfi forum.

will the PGMFI-NG28.bin run on a PM7 or will it only run on PM6, i read that PM7s have sometimes some problems with PM6 code.

why can't i activate VTEC? is it not possible to use the 1-wire solution on a pm7?

can you tell where i can find the latest development rom that will run on a pm7?

whats about the map sensor sizing option and some other options on the properies form in TE? why aren't all of them working, is this normal because the function is not implemented yet or is this a error from my side?


so will it work when i use a external rpm switch for the vtec solenoid and copy the right map segments at the activation rpm?

Thanks
Malte.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

pm7-ng code is buggy and shouldnt be used.

all other NG code is PM6 friendly only. it will work in an internal PA sensor Pr4 as well.

no other development code out there now is PM7 friendly although it should be easy to port over the NG48 code to be Pm7 friendly although I dont not know how to do that myself. you would have to become part of the development team at PGMFI or ask them and see if it would be easy for you to do

MAP sensor features are not functional...they are there for future use. If you plan on using a larger map sensor, you have to manually edit the crossover tables...hex editing :)

a PM7 doesnt have the circuitry for 1-wire VTEC

you will need an external VTEC controller or RPM activated switch if you can get the boost code to run on your PM7

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Hi,

that are not good news... because a pm6 is very hard to get for me.
i'am allready a member of the pgmfi groupe but in the past i only developed for pw0. my problem is that i have a turbo car and need a engine management solution very urgent.
because the pw0 boost development is far away from beeing completed i thought to switch to pm7 but as it seems a pm7 is also a "no go" for boost... :-(

do you know whats the main problem in the pm6 NG code to run on a pm7? as far as i know the circuit boards are identical, so why isn't it running? maybe i can modify the asm code if i know whats the problem. asm is no problem for me. the only problem is that i have no overview over the current development status and time is my main problem.

thanks
Malte.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

best, bet...send a PM to Blundar on the PGMFI board. He can easily tell you how to port the NG48 code to a PM7 base.

He has done it before and probably hasnt because of lack of time.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Hey guys,

just thought i would say this program you have taken the time and patience to code is great and very straight forward.

i just read through all of these posts and links provided and think i have a pretty good understanding of how the program works.

one question i just want to verify...

the PGMFI_NG28 bin file is PM6 code...and all of the provided bins are there for the stock fuel and ignition maps, so we can import them into the PM6 code...therefore all in all we can only use a PM6 ECU for chipping? or will the code run stable on all PM OBD0 cept the PM7?


As well if i am running a 90-93 B18 in my 91 hatch, if i chipped the PM6 with the PR4 maps would that work or would i need to have a PR4 and chip that??

thanks in advanced and i look forward to using this great program

Mike

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

I say when at all possible use the ECU that came in your car.

Civic - PM6
Integra - PR4

The pm6 codebase will work in either of those pretty well.

I have run both a PM6 & PR4 in my integra and have been able to tune in good maps using either with no side effects.

Yes, you can copy/paste in PR4 maps in the stable code. Its what you should do.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Hum, I'm using try11 and ng48 and didn't even notice column issues. I am still seeing a boost cut though. Haven't really been boosting, sorta waiting to finish tune... but almost had a bmw drive into my on the highway today and floored it as I did an emergency lane change... felt myself bouncing off 8 psi as i insta spooled into the other lane.

Any tips as to what to look for with the boost cut problem? I riched the maps up for boost a bunch, can email the bin if you want.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

IF you are having boost cut issues and the column headings are reading right, you are NOT using NG48.

D/L the real NG48 and you wont have any problems with boost cut.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

The thing is, I dl'd the real ng48 for doing these maps. Used your excel deluxe worksheet to start the basemaps. Still hitting a boost cut :(

I'll try something like the ng48_rory that he's been using fine. My Ostrich comes today, so I'll do some wideband rtp prog'ing and see how it turns out.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

You cant do RTP with the Ostrich and TE ???

And the real NG48 has no boost cut...I hit 13psi in my car.

Rory's NG48 has only been to a little over ~9psi he told me personally.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

No ostrich and TE? Then why did you suggest Ostrich to this TE user? http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php...hlight=ostrich

I'll try again with your basemapper and ng48, we'll see i guess. I've a few maps to fiddle with.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Because it had support for other editors out there and it was the same price as the ROMulator and I know he isnt only just interested in tuning his own car.

I never said it was supported by TE. In fact, the ROMulator that is supported by TE doesnt even really work that well.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

UPS doesn't think my house is here.... sigh. Anyways, reading comprehension owns me... at least i know its fine with crome.

I should be able to just use ostrich to manually update bin right? That'll still save alot of time, no chip burning in car.

Re:TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.0.11
 

Yes manual updates will work.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.0
 

http://www.TurboEDIT.org

Current Version: v2.5.0 (Posted: 3.13.05) - Droppin' like it's hawt!

Current Release Notes (to users):

2.5.0 - Blah blah blah.. here it is. :D You got your O2 options, VTEC A/C options, enlarged MAP sensor column headings correct. Plugin environment.. All sorts of goodies. Werd.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.1
 

Download the new hotness..

2.5.1 - Oopsie! :D Forgot to change the ROM Properties window back from my test mode. Oh, PLUS I added Stock, 2.5bar, and 3.0bar CREATION from the MAP Sensor Size ROM OPtions menu. This means you all don't have to keep downloading different ROMs. All you have to do is select the size of the MAP sensor you want to use, then retune your fuel and ignition maps, YAY! :D

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.1
 

Thats great man! I can't wait to try it out on my friend's car :)

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.1
 

yippie...
too bad i already converted to OBD1
I'll have fun with it on other friends cars though

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

2.5.2.. fixed injector scaling issue.


..keep in mind however, that the ROM in it's "stock" froms with 450cc injector tune, yet, is marked as a 240cc tune int he code. So it's going to show up incorrectly. If the tuner doesn't keep track of which injectors the map is scaled for, then it will, well, be "off". It's used as a marker, not a definitive "mode" to dicatate the current injector pulse durations.

Second, due to percentage use, going from 450cc injectors to 240cc injectors, well, does not give you the proper equivalant duration. So, I came up with a little method to get it goddman close. Only .6ms max on the rich side.. your widebands won't even pick that up! :D

Anyway.. it's done, and posted.. let me know what else is broken so I can get it fixed. I sense big things coming up for TE in the next few months, and I want it to be bug free, and feature filled! :D

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Well, its not a bug, but...that 24.99 thing, where if a value in the ignition maps is 24.99...then the cell turns white instead of being the nifty color gradient thing you've got going on.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

You sure? ..just tried it, opened NG55_1.8bar, click on the Ignition Map, first cell type: 24.99, cell turned a light orange. I tried it in random cells all over the map, and was unable to duplicate it.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Actually...

17.99, 19.99, 21.99, 23.99, 25.99, 27.99, 29.99 & 31.99 do it

maybe others....

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

OK... Got it fixed. It will included in 2.5.3..

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

also when i used xenocron basemap helper55, i copied and pasted it to ng55 2.5bin fuel map and the very last columns and rows turned to 1.08..

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Sounds like an error in copying... the only thing that would effect that is the fuel multiplier, but it would just cap it, not drop it.

Recreate the issue, and get the steps, and walk me through it, and I'll see if there is a slip up on my end.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

i left the fuel multiplier uncheck and copy pasted the map from basemap helper and it worked.. :)

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Hello!

It´s my first post here, so please be nice to me. :)
I´m posting because i need some guidance on how to tune my rom for the turbo.
I have a bin that xenocron sent me with ng48 code and it´s a basemap.
The car runs more or less good and idle was more or less stable.

After some days and because i got my WB, i made a new basemap on the ng55 basemap helper ver2 xls file and burned it.
Now i see the car with perfect stable idle and no esitations.

Before my a/f readings were 14.5 at idle, 13,7 at light throtle and 9 always until wot.
Now with this bin i have 13,5 at idle and 13,6/12,5 at light and almost mid throtle and 9 at wot.

With ng55 code i feel a much better response from engine.

I´m attaching the xenocron bin and the new one.
If someone could give me some hints it would be most apretiated!

Finaly i leave my dyno graph.

http://img141.echo.cx/img141/5051/mk11teste6psi6eb.jpg

My best

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Also i have another question:

I just got 2 new map sensors.
The black one is supose to be 2/2,5bar and the other a 5bar unit.

I wanted to ask if i can use the 5bar one or i just have to stick to the other?

What would be the best testing procedure?
Should i connect the map sensor on the piping and see with a voltimeter what it outputs?

What problems will i face?


http://img168.echo.cx/img168/7605/image0062lx.jpg


http://img168.echo.cx/img168/1200/image0093px.jpg

http://img168.echo.cx/img168/873/image0104qn.jpg



Thanks for your time and help.
My best

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

There is no support for the 5 bar.

As far as those BINs...hard to tell just by looking at them what to change. Sounds like you have a wideband or installed one at the dyno.

Try to take that information and apply it to the fuel maps.

If you dont have a WB for yourself, get one and tune it in further.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

I have recieved a Lambdaboy WB with the l1h1 sensor.

I´m starting to understand all this tunning stuff, problem is the ammount of fuel i have to take off.
Like should i take out 1% or 10%?

Thanks

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

It's very simple math to know how much you should take off..

Lets say, at 5000 rpms, and 10psi of boost.. The pulse durations for that group of cells are, lets say, 12 milliseconds.

Your air fuel ratio for that area of the map is say... 11.5:1, with your target air fuel ratio being 12.1:1...

Very simple math will tell you what percent you need to add/subtract..

Find the difference between your target ratios: 11.5/12.1 -1 = 5% ..therefore, in that area, you would subtract, 5%.. (subtract because your target is HIGHER than your actual, if it were lower then you would add fuel in)

....get it? Very simple.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Hello.

Thanks for your simple explanation as it´s really very easy!
I´m just redoing my bin taking attention to mid and wot.
Now i can idle at 14,7 and at part-throtle i get 13,5 - 13, 2 but i ´m having a hard time with wot situatuion.

I´ve decreased it in 15% and still get a solid 9 in the wb display...

But nevertheless i want to thank you all for this beautiful software/hardware/support.

You guys rock!


My best

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Ok.

After dyno time and wb i got to mail more 14hp at the wheels.
I feel very happy as i´m starting to squeeze the engine´s power potencial.

I post here the dyno graph. If i shouldn´t by any reason please tell me moderators.

http://img176.echo.cx/img176/899/mk1...0psi0fp.th.jpg

I see that now it´s time to swap the turbo for a regular one as the one i´m using is a VNT turbo and i can´t control the variable geometry to gain power in low rpm.
Also i can´t raise it in high rpm. It´s bad that i can´t control the geometry as a regular tdi engine or else this baby could go to 1,5bar.


My best

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

what i dont really get is the fuel multipler. How do i know what number to put in so the car can run idle, WOT, Etc.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Dont worry about the Fuel Multipliers. Just set them to Auto Detect and call it a day.

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

is it possible to use the LC-1 w/ the ECUControl plugin for datalogging??
like instead of teh stock O2 giving info to ECUcontrol, wire the WB O2 in its place and scale the voltages ECUcontrol uses to display A/F??

its prob already been covered but, i've searched on PGMFI but i cant seem to find anything

Re: TurboEDIT Support (OBD0) - Current Verison: 2.5.2
 

Yes, you can do this.