building block, need suggestions
11-24-2003, 05:40 AM
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building block, need suggestions
aigh, i'm gonna be building a b18b block this winter, this is the first time i've messed around with internals, but, i'm not really sweating it thanks to the honda service manual that i downloade 
i plan on doing everything right so that it will last a while. i have a bare block right now, i'm getting eagle h beams this week, and i'll prolly be ordering some je's next week, these are the definietes. now i'm wondering about bearings, seals, etc. i was looking at toga main and rod bearings and it was about 160 for the set, are these good, or would i be just as safe with factory honda bearings? also i plan on getting a new honda oem water pump, and a toga gsr oil pump. also getting a complet hona oem bottom end gasket seal kit. i'll be getting pins for the block and am getting it hot tanked and honed. does this sound like a good set up to everyone? is there anything else that you can think of that will benefit me (besides getting it sleeved 
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i plan on doing everything right so that it will last a while. i have a bare block right now, i'm getting eagle h beams this week, and i'll prolly be ordering some je's next week, these are the definietes. now i'm wondering about bearings, seals, etc. i was looking at toga main and rod bearings and it was about 160 for the set, are these good, or would i be just as safe with factory honda bearings? also i plan on getting a new honda oem water pump, and a toga gsr oil pump. also getting a complet hona oem bottom end gasket seal kit. i'll be getting pins for the block and am getting it hot tanked and honed. does this sound like a good set up to everyone? is there anything else that you can think of that will benefit me (besides getting it sleeved )
11-24-2003, 08:19 AM
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Re:building block, need suggestions
well, it's for boost of course, but i will prolly run it na for a while seeing as how my "car budget" will be spent up for a while after buying everything for the block. i'll be putting a b16 head on it
11-24-2003, 09:32 AM
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Re:building block, need suggestions
are you staying with b18b rod length and crap like that or making it a shorter stroke for higher rpm?
b18b crank? or gsr crank?
I've heard that Honda OEM Bearings are the best.
PS. Kevin. Im thinkin about doin the same thing this winter w/a b18b block, b16a obd0 head, IM, and dizzy... can u keep a price list goin? thanks.
b18b crank? or gsr crank?
I've heard that Honda OEM Bearings are the best.
PS. Kevin. Im thinkin about doin the same thing this winter w/a b18b block, b16a obd0 head, IM, and dizzy... can u keep a price list goin? thanks.
11-24-2003, 09:33 AM
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Re:building block, need suggestions
I'm a firm beleiver on using factory bearings. I've just seen to many problems with aftermarket ones, people not measuring oil clearences properly, to tight/to loose etc. I'd inspect the old ones real well, more than likly they are just fine and ready to go for another 60k miles. I reused my Main bearings on my built Ls/Vtec.
As far as seals, all your really going to need is a Head set (top end) along with a front/rear main seals and some silicone.
I'd suggest to sleeve it, just because I have broke 2 b-series sleeves, and it sounds like your doing alot of work, you may just want to save up an extra 1000 bucks to sleeve it But a pinned B-series with forged internals tuned perfect should be safe and put down some great power.
Good luck!
Jeff
As far as seals, all your really going to need is a Head set (top end) along with a front/rear main seals and some silicone.
I'd suggest to sleeve it, just because I have broke 2 b-series sleeves, and it sounds like your doing alot of work, you may just want to save up an extra 1000 bucks to sleeve it
But a pinned B-series with forged internals tuned perfect should be safe and put down some great power.Good luck!
Jeff
11-24-2003, 10:25 AM
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Re:building block, need suggestions
Originally Posted by crx88Si
are you staying with b18b rod length and crap like that or making it a shorter stroke for higher rpm?
b18b crank? or gsr crank?
I've heard that Honda OEM Bearings are the best.
PS. Kevin. Im thinkin about doin the same thing this winter w/a b18b block, b16a obd0 head, IM, and dizzy... can u keep a price list goin? thanks.
b18b crank? or gsr crank?
I've heard that Honda OEM Bearings are the best.
PS. Kevin. Im thinkin about doin the same thing this winter w/a b18b block, b16a obd0 head, IM, and dizzy... can u keep a price list goin? thanks.
well, i just planned on keeping reg b18 rod length, i'm not really sure what all is involved in shortening the stroke, the block i have is completely bare, so i'll prolly use my b18a crank that i have from my hydrolocked engine. so far, the price isn't looking too high.
eagle h beams (from shadowrex)= 200
bare block= 100 :P (people are acting like b18a/b blocks are gold these days)
je pistons and rings= 430 (that's gonna hurt)
new honda water pump= 60
new gsr oil pump= 140
main and rod bearings= 120
bottom end gasket/seal kit= 55
11-24-2003, 10:48 AM
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Re:building block, need suggestions
i already have the complete top end though with very low miles, i don't plan on tearing it down. the block hasn't had any machine work yet, i'm gonna wait until after i post it to have it honed and decked....
i'll be keeping my head in tact, so all i will really need is a head gasket and valve cover gasket
