Petition for securing our borders.
04-30-2005, 04:45 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by nitrogen
It seems to be a big problem here in phoenix, 50 mexicans will stand on a street corner and just wait for
someone that needs some help to pick them up .. its rediculous, not to mention, think of the crime that
someone without any identity can commit, and crime pays to, compaired to the work they are finding.
someone that needs some help to pick them up .. its rediculous, not to mention, think of the crime that
someone without any identity can commit, and crime pays to, compaired to the work they are finding.
04-30-2005, 04:50 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by random-strike
im not trying to be an *** but your parents did commite a crime they came here illegally.
as stealthmode said before people did all those jobs before the huge influx of ILLEGAL immigrants.
whats stopping a terrorists with a bomb on his back from going acrossed the border?
as stealthmode said before people did all those jobs before the huge influx of ILLEGAL immigrants.
whats stopping a terrorists with a bomb on his back from going acrossed the border?
04-30-2005, 04:51 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by hotrex
julio shut the ---- up, your parents came illegally, and thats wrong...
you are too gung ho sometimes, stick your foot in your mouth.
just for your post, i think i go pick up 4 illegal mexicans at the nearest labor ready, load them into my car, drive them 2 hrs away promising work, then kick their asses out without paying them. and let them deal with finding there non english speakign asses home.....
that would at least make me feel like i did my part.
you are too gung ho sometimes, stick your foot in your mouth.
just for your post, i think i go pick up 4 illegal mexicans at the nearest labor ready, load them into my car, drive them 2 hrs away promising work, then kick their asses out without paying them. and let them deal with finding there non english speakign asses home.....
that would at least make me feel like i did my part.
Now shut the ---- up, your no better than anyone else.
04-30-2005, 04:56 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
wow, you guys are crazy and way off point.
illegal aliens are a huge burden on the system that they dont pay into for the most part.
they crowd schools, hospitals, roads, ext.
once again it doesnt matter why they came here only how...
first and foremost the border is a national security issue.
illegal aliens are a huge burden on the system that they dont pay into for the most part.
they crowd schools, hospitals, roads, ext.
once again it doesnt matter why they came here only how...
first and foremost the border is a national security issue.
04-30-2005, 04:57 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
The simple fact is that immagrints take the same jobs and oppertunities that dont require skill.. I have no ------- care for you if you cant learn an actual trade.. and pedro sanchez takes your ------- job at the local burger king.. ---- you your dumb and should rethink what you mean to society.. I mean your an american citizen youve always had it "ok". so you make my god damn ------- whooper with little to no ------- care cause you realize your a peice of ---- to me and your making my damn burger... so instead you forget my extra onions.. and your put maynoase ware I didnt ------- want it.. but pedro on the other hand makes my ---- mother ------- perfect because pedro values that job in the US because his previous 85 cents an hour sowing baby clothing at the local plant sucks that much.. my whole point is.. do something with your life then you wont care about pedro.. you wont care about the burger king.. and you wont ------- care about.. the ------- minute men or whatever this neighbor hood border watch calls themselves..
-CF
-CF
not is not even close to being true...
and one huge difference... one is a DONATION the other is PUBLIC MONEY
04-30-2005, 04:57 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Julio, think bigger.
All of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. There are reports that terrorists are in Mexico and actually take mexican surnames to appear to be "coming here for a job". It's not just Mexican's this is dealing with, it's dealing with the easy access that anyone in the world (including terrorists) have to getting in the country.
No, the mexicans that are coming here arent' coming to be lawyers or doctors, but that's not the point. We have a system set up to become a citizen. People don't respect that. Then all of a sudden you see they want the same "rights" as the legal citizens (EX: drivers licenses, voting privlidges (which comes with the drivers license)) and lots more.
Take into account that yes, we get cheaper laborors, but on the other side of the ball you pay more for them to be here. Healthcare (having babies without insurance), schooling (which is law that all children must go), Traffic conjestion (these people still drive to work with everyone else), and many other things. Also think about after an illegal has a child, yes they are a citizen, but that citizens healthcare, schooling, and social services is also directly related to illegal immigration.
Society is set up so that a given amount of workers pay their taxes and all of these services are in place for that amount of working people. Illegals for the most part don't pay any taxes because they work under the table, they have lots of children, who go to our schools, and who need healthcare, who need roads to drive them to school, ect......
With an off balance of taxe payers vs. people who get the services, you'll see exactly what California has become, one of the highest taxed places on earth.
Of course people want to come to this great country, but you have to do it legally. The balance is very off in California and you can see the results in that.
These are just some of the economical problems with open boarders. Then you have the terrorist deal. This day in age, you just can't have unknown people walking into your country.
All of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. There are reports that terrorists are in Mexico and actually take mexican surnames to appear to be "coming here for a job". It's not just Mexican's this is dealing with, it's dealing with the easy access that anyone in the world (including terrorists) have to getting in the country.
No, the mexicans that are coming here arent' coming to be lawyers or doctors, but that's not the point. We have a system set up to become a citizen. People don't respect that. Then all of a sudden you see they want the same "rights" as the legal citizens (EX: drivers licenses, voting privlidges (which comes with the drivers license)) and lots more.
Take into account that yes, we get cheaper laborors, but on the other side of the ball you pay more for them to be here. Healthcare (having babies without insurance), schooling (which is law that all children must go), Traffic conjestion (these people still drive to work with everyone else), and many other things. Also think about after an illegal has a child, yes they are a citizen, but that citizens healthcare, schooling, and social services is also directly related to illegal immigration.
Society is set up so that a given amount of workers pay their taxes and all of these services are in place for that amount of working people. Illegals for the most part don't pay any taxes because they work under the table, they have lots of children, who go to our schools, and who need healthcare, who need roads to drive them to school, ect......
With an off balance of taxe payers vs. people who get the services, you'll see exactly what California has become, one of the highest taxed places on earth.
Of course people want to come to this great country, but you have to do it legally. The balance is very off in California and you can see the results in that.
These are just some of the economical problems with open boarders. Then you have the terrorist deal. This day in age, you just can't have unknown people walking into your country.
Plus if California is anything like Texas, we are probabaly 15 years behind on keeping up with the population. We are just not widening every freeway in Houston into 8 or 10 lane freeways.
04-30-2005, 05:01 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
And on top of it you used to have a handful of guys wanting to do a job (construction for example) that would have payed say $10 an hour.
When you now have 100 guys on the corner willing to do any work that you have, you now have people willing to work for $3 an hour. This is good for the guy that doesn't want to do that work, but all these people are really doing is driving down the income of labor intensive jobs. Then you have working poor people. And if they aren't working to be poor, there's 100 other guys that are willing to.
Who's really benefiting here? And what future does 100 workers for every 1 job promise for the next generation? Maybe that they'll work their asses off to be poor too.
When you now have 100 guys on the corner willing to do any work that you have, you now have people willing to work for $3 an hour. This is good for the guy that doesn't want to do that work, but all these people are really doing is driving down the income of labor intensive jobs. Then you have working poor people. And if they aren't working to be poor, there's 100 other guys that are willing to.
Who's really benefiting here? And what future does 100 workers for every 1 job promise for the next generation? Maybe that they'll work their asses off to be poor too.
04-30-2005, 05:02 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by turbo-maxima
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Julio, think bigger.
All of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. There are reports that terrorists are in Mexico and actually take mexican surnames to appear to be "coming here for a job". It's not just Mexican's this is dealing with, it's dealing with the easy access that anyone in the world (including terrorists) have to getting in the country.
No, the mexicans that are coming here arent' coming to be lawyers or doctors, but that's not the point. We have a system set up to become a citizen. People don't respect that. Then all of a sudden you see they want the same "rights" as the legal citizens (EX: drivers licenses, voting privlidges (which comes with the drivers license)) and lots more.
Take into account that yes, we get cheaper laborors, but on the other side of the ball you pay more for them to be here. Healthcare (having babies without insurance), schooling (which is law that all children must go), Traffic conjestion (these people still drive to work with everyone else), and many other things. Also think about after an illegal has a child, yes they are a citizen, but that citizens healthcare, schooling, and social services is also directly related to illegal immigration.
Society is set up so that a given amount of workers pay their taxes and all of these services are in place for that amount of working people. Illegals for the most part don't pay any taxes because they work under the table, they have lots of children, who go to our schools, and who need healthcare, who need roads to drive them to school, ect......
With an off balance of taxe payers vs. people who get the services, you'll see exactly what California has become, one of the highest taxed places on earth.
Of course people want to come to this great country, but you have to do it legally. The balance is very off in California and you can see the results in that.
These are just some of the economical problems with open boarders. Then you have the terrorist deal. This day in age, you just can't have unknown people walking into your country.
All of the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. There are reports that terrorists are in Mexico and actually take mexican surnames to appear to be "coming here for a job". It's not just Mexican's this is dealing with, it's dealing with the easy access that anyone in the world (including terrorists) have to getting in the country.
No, the mexicans that are coming here arent' coming to be lawyers or doctors, but that's not the point. We have a system set up to become a citizen. People don't respect that. Then all of a sudden you see they want the same "rights" as the legal citizens (EX: drivers licenses, voting privlidges (which comes with the drivers license)) and lots more.
Take into account that yes, we get cheaper laborors, but on the other side of the ball you pay more for them to be here. Healthcare (having babies without insurance), schooling (which is law that all children must go), Traffic conjestion (these people still drive to work with everyone else), and many other things. Also think about after an illegal has a child, yes they are a citizen, but that citizens healthcare, schooling, and social services is also directly related to illegal immigration.
Society is set up so that a given amount of workers pay their taxes and all of these services are in place for that amount of working people. Illegals for the most part don't pay any taxes because they work under the table, they have lots of children, who go to our schools, and who need healthcare, who need roads to drive them to school, ect......
With an off balance of taxe payers vs. people who get the services, you'll see exactly what California has become, one of the highest taxed places on earth.
Of course people want to come to this great country, but you have to do it legally. The balance is very off in California and you can see the results in that.
These are just some of the economical problems with open boarders. Then you have the terrorist deal. This day in age, you just can't have unknown people walking into your country.
Plus if California is anything like Texas, we are probabaly 15 years behind on keeping up with the population. We are just not widening every freeway in Houston into 8 or 10 lane freeways.everything public they use costs people who pay taxes money
schools, roads, police, fire dep, buses, highways, public parks, public restrooms, libraries, ANYTHING public they use and dont contribute to someone else pics up their slack.
04-30-2005, 05:03 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by hotrex
hey julio you know what can make you sadder?? i make more in 1 month than your whole family does in 2 yrs. and it must really burn you that despite my car being stolen i went and bought a better one with cash.
and the kicker is, i can sleep tite every night knowing im WHITE.
and the kicker is, i can sleep tite every night knowing im WHITE.
04-30-2005, 05:04 AM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by rawr
why do you have to turn an immigration thread into a racist thing i live right down the street from allot of mexicans. most illegal never had a problem with them stealing anything. if anything gets stolen around here its usualy white trashy tweeker kids stealing ----
i live right down the street from allot of mexicans. most illegal never had a problem with them stealing anything. if anything gets stolen around here its usualy white trashy tweeker kids stealing ----
