Petition for securing our borders.
05-01-2005, 10:55 AM
#141
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
100 people for every job = low wages and 99 people not working
99 people not working = 100 people not paying taxes (that 1 guy working is working poor, so he applies)
100 people not paying taxes and using social services = American taxpayers covering the bill
100 American taxpayers covering 200 people = higher taxes for the taxpayers (covering themselves, and the non paying people.
Illegal population increases = This situation x 100, 1000, ect..
This situation = the same situation in mexico. The same reason they came here.
Of course I'm not talking about every mexican, or every tax payer, but you get the idea.
Low incomes, too many people for the labor demand, more social services needed, more cost that isn't being covered by taxpayers= Mexico.
It's not an underground secret anymore. The reason why California has such a high cost of living is because of these things I'm talking about. Hospitals closing, high car insurance, health insurance, every tax they can get away with, ect....
It's a lose/lose situation for everyone.
99 people not working = 100 people not paying taxes (that 1 guy working is working poor, so he applies)
100 people not paying taxes and using social services = American taxpayers covering the bill
100 American taxpayers covering 200 people = higher taxes for the taxpayers (covering themselves, and the non paying people.
Illegal population increases = This situation x 100, 1000, ect..
This situation = the same situation in mexico. The same reason they came here.
Of course I'm not talking about every mexican, or every tax payer, but you get the idea.
Low incomes, too many people for the labor demand, more social services needed, more cost that isn't being covered by taxpayers= Mexico.
It's not an underground secret anymore. The reason why California has such a high cost of living is because of these things I'm talking about. Hospitals closing, high car insurance, health insurance, every tax they can get away with, ect....
It's a lose/lose situation for everyone.
05-01-2005, 11:29 AM
#142
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
Originally Posted by Whitey
Originally Posted by PoorMansPorsche
Im a from a family that started from imagrents.. my dad is now a millionare.. pays taxes and imploys 35 american citizens.. for ever burden that an imagrent makes I will guarentee there is at least 1 that makes the economy better... after all imagration is nothing new to the us.. its how we were founded and the sole reason we are the greatest nation on earth.
My great grandparents actually met on the boat over from Ireland. The issue here isn't immigration, its illegal immigration. If people want to live in this country than do it the legal way all our relatives did. Exceptions shouldn't be made for Mexicans
05-01-2005, 11:45 AM
#143
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
these posts always make me realize how many **** and racist ***** there are on this site. i really cant beleive steve sometimes either. he talking so much ---- abouut how mexicans do this that and hes the one that would pick up these mexicans up and have them work for him in his painting business. i didnt see no complaints then. now your in minnesota were there are probably zero mexicans and you have to pay good money for that extra labor. i cant beleive my dumbass even drove two hours just to go drop off your dam pulley to help your *** out when you couldnt figure out how to make the dx pulley work on the y8. this country wouldnt be the great place it is without illegals. you guys know this. you ***** are all stuck in the middle of freakinng hick ville and probably dont even run into mexicans and probably have no idea the hard life they have to live to be successful. your just living off of all the hard work that your parents and grandparents and great grandparents have done. they were illegal at one point or another. but who gives a ----. stay in your lil racist boxes. dont associate with illegals. im more than sure they dont want to associate with your ***. as far as im concerned, steve your a hypocrite. my stealthmode sticker comes off today.
05-01-2005, 12:19 PM
#144
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
There's a difference between legal's and illegals, and the only thing that it has to do with race is that all people that are illegal are not Americans to begin with. You only take this as a mexican only issue because 90% of illegals are mexican, because last time I checked, Russia was a little further away.
The painting company I worked for in Ca. hired Mexicans, but I wasn't the boss of that company, so I didn't call those shots. Quit trying to make me sound like someone who was hiring them, cause I wasn't. It was the company I WORKED FOR.
It'd be great if all the poor people of the world could swing by and grab a piece of the pie, but the pie just isn't big enough. Take an economics class and look at this situation and tell me I'm the bad guy for not wanting people to BRAKE A FEDERAL LAW, by coming here. Pella me la, puto. :P If you wanna disprove ANYTHING that I said, I welcome you to prove me wrong with the numbers. The numbers don't lie. "Watch out, there's another hospital closing"
GhettoTurbo- please please find me any kind of income vs. illegal immigrant population that says that anywhere near half of these people help the economy. You won't, but I wish you luck.
And because so and so's dad came here illegally and is now a bazillionaire, that's great. That's the reason people want to come here in the first place. But because one guys dad did it, doesn't mean the other 12 million illegals are even coming close.
The whole illegal problem on our economy is the way it is because nobody wanted to speak up and be called a "racist". Because when you bring this subject up, it's the idiots who don't realize the strain on the economy, but would love to call you a racist. California is going to hell. When the ---- hits the fan for good, then you'll realize was these precious "just want to have a better life" people have done to the system.
The painting company I worked for in Ca. hired Mexicans, but I wasn't the boss of that company, so I didn't call those shots. Quit trying to make me sound like someone who was hiring them, cause I wasn't. It was the company I WORKED FOR.
It'd be great if all the poor people of the world could swing by and grab a piece of the pie, but the pie just isn't big enough. Take an economics class and look at this situation and tell me I'm the bad guy for not wanting people to BRAKE A FEDERAL LAW, by coming here. Pella me la, puto. :P If you wanna disprove ANYTHING that I said, I welcome you to prove me wrong with the numbers. The numbers don't lie. "Watch out, there's another hospital closing"
GhettoTurbo- please please find me any kind of income vs. illegal immigrant population that says that anywhere near half of these people help the economy. You won't, but I wish you luck.
And because so and so's dad came here illegally and is now a bazillionaire, that's great. That's the reason people want to come here in the first place. But because one guys dad did it, doesn't mean the other 12 million illegals are even coming close.
The whole illegal problem on our economy is the way it is because nobody wanted to speak up and be called a "racist". Because when you bring this subject up, it's the idiots who don't realize the strain on the economy, but would love to call you a racist. California is going to hell. When the ---- hits the fan for good, then you'll realize was these precious "just want to have a better life" people have done to the system.
05-01-2005, 12:23 PM
#145
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
You guys are seriously a bunch of stupid *****.
Life isnt fair, it will never be fair, complaining about life not being fair, or any other stupid political or religious opinion you may have is a waste of breath. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYONES MIND the only thing that comes from religious/political debates is anger and frustration on both sides. We have all been conditioned by our life experiences to believe whatever it is we believe.
Instead of wasting your time trying to change other stupid peoples minds, worry about yourself and do something to improve your own situation.
05-01-2005, 12:34 PM
#146
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by imadouche
You guys are seriously a bunch of stupid *****.
Life isnt fair, it will never be fair, complaining about life not being fair, or any other stupid political or religious opinion you may have is a waste of breath. YOU WILL NOT CHANGE ANYONES MIND the only thing that comes from religious/political debates is anger and frustration on both sides. We have all been conditioned by our life experiences to believe whatever it is we believe.
Instead of wasting your time trying to change other stupid peoples minds, worry about yourself and do something to improve your own situation.
05-01-2005, 12:38 PM
#147
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
I think both of you newbs should punch each other in the *****.
Thinking that all of us are trying to change each others minds you would assume that everyone has the facts straight. It's plain to see that isn't the case. Maybe threads like this acctually help keep the facts straight as well. You can only be an idiot by not being informed.
Thinking that all of us are trying to change each others minds you would assume that everyone has the facts straight. It's plain to see that isn't the case. Maybe threads like this acctually help keep the facts straight as well. You can only be an idiot by not being informed.
05-01-2005, 12:42 PM
#148
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
you guys sit here talking ---- about mexicans and act like we are the only ones that come here illegaly what about the asians and ----?
05-01-2005, 12:45 PM
#149
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
I think both of you newbs should punch each other in the *****.
Thinking that all of us are trying to change each others minds you would assume that everyone has the facts straight. It's plain to see that isn't the case. Maybe threads like this acctually help keep the facts straight as well. You can only be an idiot by not being informed.
Thinking that all of us are trying to change each others minds you would assume that everyone has the facts straight. It's plain to see that isn't the case. Maybe threads like this acctually help keep the facts straight as well. You can only be an idiot by not being informed.
05-01-2005, 12:47 PM
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Re: Petition for securing our borders.
Originally Posted by chevy
you guys sit here talking ---- about mexicans and act like we are the only ones that come here illegaly what about the asians and ----?
