biggmike

can you feel the love tonight?

GiNuWiNe

It all depends on what you want. If you want to me lean and cut, stay away from the whey protein and do some cardio and exercises that will tone your muscle. If you want the semi bulk look just eat meat such as steak, chicken breast, fish, etc and exercise with heavier weights usign less sets. If you want to be big like hotsex and have flubber cover your muscle where it look like your arm is just a huge marshmellow drink plenty of beer, whey protein, heavy weights, plus more beer . All joking aside it depends on the type of body you want.

Steve-O

not being rude but can ya get technical for me? you seem to be pretty into your stuff and im interested in the info.

i was just always under the impression that monounsaturated nut oil like those found in natural peanut butter, fiber and carbs in bananas and maltodextrin protien were okay. might be diff for the scenario i guess.

he asked about cost effective protien i believe and that shake will fill him up, give him the protien and energy he needs without draining his wallet at a health food store for designer wheys like Prolab. ive purchased the 10lb tub of that and it's $$$$$$$$$

im not a bodybuilder or an expert on the same so by all means correct me where needed.

i agree 100%.

I'd sooner stock my house up with tubs of fat free cottage cheese, 1% milk, boneless skinless chicken breasts, whole wheat breads and pastas (no dry starchy carbs consumed after 5pm) and a barrage of fresh vegetables like baby spinach, romaine lettuce, cabbage, brocoli, cauliflower and tomotes for salads.

I'd rather eat more food than shakes anyday. I only drink shakes usually in the morning when im rushed for time getting to work or right after a workout to get the goods in me fast.

i read The Testosterone Advantage Plan by Lou Schuller and The Cover Model Workout Workout by Owen McKibben. the info seems to follow the same path in each book. sorry, not tryin to be a knowitall here. im sure you know your stuff and i do quite a bit of reading on the subject of nutrition and strength training myself.

you wanna look like a ripped wrestler, i want to look like a men's health cover model

InfernoSoul

all wrong

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InfernoSoul

the fats in the nuts are of little concern in this scenario

you want solid food pre workout. its slower digesting, unlike the powdered food you listed before.
also, your shake does'nt have enough carbs for pre workout.

i get 80-100g low GI (ie slow burning) carbs, 1 - 1.5hrs before workout. be it wholegrain bread, oatmeal, brown rice etc.
moderate protein from whole foods too - so not whey, but fish or meat or eggs or chicken etc. 20-25g

post workout you need a stack of simple carbs, preferably in water for faster digestion. a 50/50 combo of maltodextrin and dextrose (aka corn sugar/glucose) is ideal... though i just have dextrose. 80-100g of it.
and then whey (also in water) because its fast digesting. around 40g protein worth of it which is like 2 typical scoops.

i dont bother with fats (you throw in peanut butter) for pre/post workout. fats are too slow digesting pre workout and definitely not needed PWO

1 banana has ~30g carbs. this is why a banana is no good. 30 isn't enough. besides - these are carbs from fructose (fruit sugar), which is not ideal for PWO recovery and insulin spiking.

Steve-O

**takes notes**

that's good info inferno.

just wondering if this routine would apply to someone like me who follows more of a men's health cover model diet and strength training program rather than that for a bodybuilder?

where would i make changes for a plan that involves lean mass but more strength and endurance for biking? my goal is go gain strength and some corresponding mass but i dont want to get huge because a) ive always been a hardgainer and b) the bigger i get it becomes increasingly difficult to lug this frame up a hill for a few kilometers on a mountain bike (even after the fact im riding a $4000 lightweight racing rig :P).

hope im not threadjackin here. just interested in the info and maybe someone else readin might find it useful too.

kain

nah no thread jacking here except for some dumb ***.

GiNuWiNe

All wrong my ***, i haven't been lifting weights lately because my membership ran out and they want $39 a month. So as soon as i start working i'm going to by myself a membership at powerhouse. (IRRELEVENT)

You DO not i repeat DO NOT need whey protein at all to gain muscle (i'm talking about the supplement). For a pretty little guy id' say i'm pretty toned. I max 95lbs over my weight. Not saying your not sayin the truth but just because other people say something doesn't automatically make them wrong. I'd like to see a picture of the results you got from all of your factual information. It's common sense that you need protein from lean foods such as chicken breast, etc. And in case you didn't notice i was joking about the beer part. Here's a pic of me from about 4-6months ago i can't remember lol.



I'm in no way huge. But seriously you don't need supplements to gain muscle.. The only reason i'd ever use supplements would be if i reached a pinnacle that i've haven't been able to pass. Or if i have to.. for instance if i have to gain mass for football or something like that. Right now i'm trying to stay natural.

Steve-O

I ain't gay or none of that ---- giN and i hope u take this as a compliment, but your physique from what i can see in the pic is pretty much what im after (im not quite so lean and maybe a tad less muscular but it's winter and snow is everywhere up here ).

i'd probably want to get a big bigger all round but stay that lean. that way i can power around on my bike without having to worry about too much weight to slow me down going uphill.

p.s. i have a nice home gym in the basement (X-Press by Body Craft http://www.bodycraft.com/xpress.tpl)in addition to some decent free weights and a bench which i plan to upgrade to a gym quality set-up.