Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
11-09-2006, 11:56 AM
#61
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Originally Posted by AccordX2Boost
your setup will not work, good luck with your engine, you can plan to do it any way you like, but the correct way?...well your an idiot. does anybody else agree with me? i take my time to help someone and they tell me they are going to hook it up wrong anyway? to each his own............. 
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason for using the nipple on the turbo housing is to use the least amount of pressure line possible. the more hose there is the more it expands and makes everything react a little slower. and inconsitantly. this graph is from tial and show the CORRECT way to install the wastegate lines. Also note that it says to hook the line to the intake manifold "before the throttle plate", which translate to charge pipe. the wastegate was not intended to ever see vacuum, only boost.
http://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
peace---
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason for using the nipple on the turbo housing is to use the least amount of pressure line possible. the more hose there is the more it expands and makes everything react a little slower. and inconsitantly. this graph is from tial and show the CORRECT way to install the wastegate lines. Also note that it says to hook the line to the intake manifold "before the throttle plate", which translate to charge pipe. the wastegate was not intended to ever see vacuum, only boost.
http://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
peace---
but if he try's it the other way and it works good for him, but i dont think it will
11-09-2006, 03:41 PM
#62
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Originally Posted by AccordX2Boost
someone correct me if i'm wrong, but the reason for using the nipple on the turbo housing is to use the least amount of pressure line possible. the more hose there is the more it expands and makes everything react a little slower. and inconsitantly. this graph is from tial and show the CORRECT way to install the wastegate lines. Also note that it says to hook the line to the intake manifold "before the throttle plate", which translate to charge pipe. the wastegate was not intended to ever see vacuum, only boost.
http://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
peace---
http://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
peace---
11-09-2006, 06:11 PM
#63
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Originally Posted by cll77gen2teg
before the throttle body on the intake manifold is what that pic shows not after it to the charge piping, and on most hondas there isnt too much of a length difference from hooking it to the i/m rather than the compressor nipple
Last time i checked umm...there is about a 2 foot difference. i'm not sure how things are done where you are from sir, but here the wastegate is mounted about three inches away from the turbo. my mbc is mounted on the side of my external wastegate, so all together from the compressor nipple to all my boost controllers, is about 14 inches of line all combined.
Now, if you run it to the intake manifold you are going to have approx. 3 feet of line, that is a big difference. it will be more acurate to hook it up to the turbo nipple. i'm not saying that the other way will not work, but it is not as good and is not correct. tell you what, hook it up the way you have said but use steel braided lines, then it will be fine.. (haha)
by the way do i need to draw that diagram with a crayon for you, it is hooked up to the charge pipe not the intake manifold, go ahead.....take another look, then apolagize.
<--respectfullyhttp://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
here's my setup, well a while before it was finished but you get the idea.
11-09-2006, 06:56 PM
#64
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Originally Posted by AccordX2Boost
no disrespect but..........
Last time i checked umm...there is about a 2 foot difference. i'm not sure how things are done where you are from sir, but here the wastegate is mounted about three inches away from the turbo. my mbc is mounted on the side of my external wastegate, so all together from the compressor nipple to all my boost controllers, is about 14 inches of line all combined.
Now, if you run it to the intake manifold you are going to have approx. 3 feet of line, that is a big difference. it will be more acurate to hook it up to the turbo nipple. i'm not saying that the other way will not work, but it is not as good and is not correct. tell you what, hook it up the way you have said but use steel braided lines, then it will be fine.. (haha)
by the way do i need to draw that diagram with a crayon for you, it is hooked up to the charge pipe not the intake manifold, go ahead.....take another look, then apolagize. <--respectfully
http://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
here's my setup, well a while before it was finished but you get the idea.
Last time i checked umm...there is about a 2 foot difference. i'm not sure how things are done where you are from sir, but here the wastegate is mounted about three inches away from the turbo. my mbc is mounted on the side of my external wastegate, so all together from the compressor nipple to all my boost controllers, is about 14 inches of line all combined.
Now, if you run it to the intake manifold you are going to have approx. 3 feet of line, that is a big difference. it will be more acurate to hook it up to the turbo nipple. i'm not saying that the other way will not work, but it is not as good and is not correct. tell you what, hook it up the way you have said but use steel braided lines, then it will be fine.. (haha)
by the way do i need to draw that diagram with a crayon for you, it is hooked up to the charge pipe not the intake manifold, go ahead.....take another look, then apolagize.
<--respectfullyhttp://home.houston.rr.com/acr/TialW...structions.jpg
here's my setup, well a while before it was finished but you get the idea.
11-09-2006, 08:07 PM
#66
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
last time i checked there wasn't a dial on your boost controller that said 8 psi. if you set it where your guage is reading what you want it doesn't matter genious. only if your using an electronic boost controller. actually none of this matters i withdraw my opinion to this thread based on the fact that it will work both ways so,...whatever.
did the guy that started this thread get his setup working the way that he wanted it too? if so congratulations, if not i'll be happy to share my opinion.
later
did the guy that started this thread get his setup working the way that he wanted it too? if so congratulations, if not i'll be happy to share my opinion.
later
11-10-2006, 01:59 AM
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Actually I read this then I went to work and its not a comfortable feeling when someone calls you an idiot before you can reply.
First of all, honestly, I dont understand you too well and I dont understand that diagram, to me it looks like the inside of the male anatomy.
I am a n00b at this, its my first time doing a turbo setup with other people who are new to it too. But we've gotten this far through research/ trial and error =) I believe it will work, its obviously worked for others if they are writing articles about it, and i dont think when it comes to vacuum lines and whatnot itd make a big difference to the point where, say, youd have to set your mbc a whole 2 psi or so more than what you want to actually have boosted.
Only thing I dont understand is there are 2 ports on the wastegate and right now only the side one goes to turbo/ intake manifold (whatever). Well when it comes to a manual boost controller if you use the top port for it will it work the same or do you just need the top port?
First of all, honestly, I dont understand you too well and I dont understand that diagram, to me it looks like the inside of the male anatomy.
I am a n00b at this, its my first time doing a turbo setup with other people who are new to it too. But we've gotten this far through research/ trial and error =) I believe it will work, its obviously worked for others if they are writing articles about it, and i dont think when it comes to vacuum lines and whatnot itd make a big difference to the point where, say, youd have to set your mbc a whole 2 psi or so more than what you want to actually have boosted.
Only thing I dont understand is there are 2 ports on the wastegate and right now only the side one goes to turbo/ intake manifold (whatever). Well when it comes to a manual boost controller if you use the top port for it will it work the same or do you just need the top port?
11-10-2006, 04:51 AM
#68
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
what the ---- man, i read that post about teeing into blabla bla and just got confused as hell.
why not cut the wastegate signal line in half ( i have mine at the compressor houseing if that makes a difference ) and put the manual boost controller in between the two ends?
like this:
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/m...s/dsc00024.gif
why not cut the wastegate signal line in half ( i have mine at the compressor houseing if that makes a difference ) and put the manual boost controller in between the two ends?
like this:
http://www.c-speedracing.com/howto/m...s/dsc00024.gif
11-10-2006, 08:38 AM
#69
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
if you're using an mbc just T into the line coming from the bottom port of the wastegate, basically the way that signorelli said, where you have the wg line going to is your choice. the top port on the wg usually only for ebc's, make sure to keep it open if you decide not to use it
hopefully you werent talking about me
Originally Posted by IntegraKarim
Actually I read this then I went to work and its not a comfortable feeling when someone calls you an idiot before you can reply.
First of all, honestly, I dont understand you too well and I dont understand that diagram, to me it looks like the inside of the male anatomy.
I am a n00b at this, its my first time doing a turbo setup with other people who are new to it too. But we've gotten this far through research/ trial and error =) I believe it will work, its obviously worked for others if they are writing articles about it, and i dont think when it comes to vacuum lines and whatnot itd make a big difference to the point where, say, youd have to set your mbc a whole 2 psi or so more than what you want to actually have boosted.
Only thing I dont understand is there are 2 ports on the wastegate and right now only the side one goes to turbo/ intake manifold (whatever). Well when it comes to a manual boost controller if you use the top port for it will it work the same or do you just need the top port?
First of all, honestly, I dont understand you too well and I dont understand that diagram, to me it looks like the inside of the male anatomy.
I am a n00b at this, its my first time doing a turbo setup with other people who are new to it too. But we've gotten this far through research/ trial and error =) I believe it will work, its obviously worked for others if they are writing articles about it, and i dont think when it comes to vacuum lines and whatnot itd make a big difference to the point where, say, youd have to set your mbc a whole 2 psi or so more than what you want to actually have boosted.
Only thing I dont understand is there are 2 ports on the wastegate and right now only the side one goes to turbo/ intake manifold (whatever). Well when it comes to a manual boost controller if you use the top port for it will it work the same or do you just need the top port?
11-10-2006, 01:59 PM
#70
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Re: Turbo setup done- no boost? *WITH PIX NOW*
Well the MBC has two ports for vacuum so after T'ing one directly into the wastegate line (I understand that part)
I still have to T it into BoV line right? I cant just plug up the other port?
I still have to T it into BoV line right? I cant just plug up the other port?
