Going Turbo... Few questions
05-03-2005, 04:51 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
if i were u, id take into consideration what u are gonna need for 25 psi, ie big *** injectors, upgraded axles, hard gripping clutch, the more psi u boost, the more u have to worrie about, if i were ud, id post of fill the block and use some of that money for tuning, and some trick headwork, so u dont have to boost so much, but ur getting good numbers still, look for a hoursepower goal, not psi goal, also gonna have hell of a traction problem, so ur gonna need lsd
05-03-2005, 04:55 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
thanks for the helpful and relivant response!
yeh i'm aware of what its going to take to have the block withstand the boost i want, and i'm prepared to pay what it costs to get it done. already have a stage 3 racing clutch lined up for it, and stage 3 internals will be around just before winter falls and the car goes away to be built to the 20-25psi.
someone already said that to me about the horsepower goal, and i do have one. i'm just waiting to see the numbers the motor gives w/o turbo, then with 7 psi, then with 15 psi. being a noob like i am, i'm not 100% certain my goal is obtainable, so i'm just gonna feel around and figure it out myself. its not a huge deal if i go through a motor or two getting to my goal, i mean, thats what its all about, right?
as for lsd, already have that squared away. Quasi LSD sittin in the garage already (y). Axles are on the list, i'm just trying to decide what to get/how to do it.
yeh i'm aware of what its going to take to have the block withstand the boost i want, and i'm prepared to pay what it costs to get it done. already have a stage 3 racing clutch lined up for it, and stage 3 internals will be around just before winter falls and the car goes away to be built to the 20-25psi.
someone already said that to me about the horsepower goal, and i do have one. i'm just waiting to see the numbers the motor gives w/o turbo, then with 7 psi, then with 15 psi. being a noob like i am, i'm not 100% certain my goal is obtainable, so i'm just gonna feel around and figure it out myself. its not a huge deal if i go through a motor or two getting to my goal, i mean, thats what its all about, right?
as for lsd, already have that squared away. Quasi LSD sittin in the garage already (y). Axles are on the list, i'm just trying to decide what to get/how to do it.
05-03-2005, 06:15 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
seems like you're not a complete moron as I originally thought, in which case I'll try to help you out. wtf are stage 3 internals? we don't talk in jdm type r mad sicc stages here on hmt, a stage means nothing ot us unless it's a clutch. 25psi is rediculous, 98ctr is making 485whp and not even running 20 psi. you will need more boost on a d to get the same numbers as a b at lower boost, but 25psi is pretty rediculous.
as for the flange, the flange on your manifold is welded on, it's not like you can unbolt a dsm flange and put on a t3 flange. a t3 flange will accomodate larger turbos that are capable of higher boost, although the 18g dsm flanged turbo is pretty capable as well. You should keep on reading and learn more, I think you're off to a pretty good start. you should figure out what your goals are as far as hp/quarter mile times before you start buying stuff or you'll end up having to buy different stuff and spending more money.
as for the flange, the flange on your manifold is welded on, it's not like you can unbolt a dsm flange and put on a t3 flange. a t3 flange will accomodate larger turbos that are capable of higher boost, although the 18g dsm flanged turbo is pretty capable as well. You should keep on reading and learn more, I think you're off to a pretty good start. you should figure out what your goals are as far as hp/quarter mile times before you start buying stuff or you'll end up having to buy different stuff and spending more money.
05-03-2005, 06:24 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
sounds great.
overall quarter mile goal is about 11 seconds, if not lower... as hard as that is to acheive. and i dont think its going to be possible in a d-series engine.
by stage 3 internals, i mean the cams, etc. high horsepower-capable internals, dont want to break anything too early
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I know the flange on the manifold is welded on... i guess my terms are probably slighly incorrect.. if not horribly incorrect. i'm looking into the t3 setup right now, as we speak actually. i had looked at it earlier on, but i was able to get a 14b for cheap, so i just want to start there and build my way up.
after getting as fast with that setup as i can, i'll probably switch to a bigger turbo, t3/t4 setup. thats a few months off tho, i just want to get my hands dirty and break somethings to learn.
overall quarter mile goal is about 11 seconds, if not lower... as hard as that is to acheive. and i dont think its going to be possible in a d-series engine.
by stage 3 internals, i mean the cams, etc. high horsepower-capable internals, dont want to break anything too early
. I know the flange on the manifold is welded on... i guess my terms are probably slighly incorrect.. if not horribly incorrect. i'm looking into the t3 setup right now, as we speak actually. i had looked at it earlier on, but i was able to get a 14b for cheap, so i just want to start there and build my way up.
after getting as fast with that setup as i can, i'll probably switch to a bigger turbo, t3/t4 setup. thats a few months off tho, i just want to get my hands dirty and break somethings to learn.
05-03-2005, 06:26 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
Originally Posted by 2fast4udude
someone already said that to me about the horsepower goal, and i do have one. i'm just waiting to see the numbers the motor gives w/o turbo...
This is a quote by him after he builds with no turbo...
"I got pistons, but there for a turbo so I was like well hell a turbo well they oughta run hella good in this beast, welp, that was a **** poor decision on my part."
JP
05-03-2005, 06:28 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
Testing the motor before it gets built for turbo. it'll be bored, w/ bigger pistons and upgraded fuel injection when i test it, thats about it. then its coming out again, getting the rest of the work, attaching the turbo, and thats how its going.
not new to dyno. been driving/building racecars [dirt track and pavement] w/ my dad since i was 12. building motors and such isnt new to me, just turbos are.
not new to dyno. been driving/building racecars [dirt track and pavement] w/ my dad since i was 12. building motors and such isnt new to me, just turbos are.
05-03-2005, 06:35 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
Originally Posted by 2fast4udude
Testing the motor before it gets built for turbo. it'll be bored, w/ bigger pistons and upgraded fuel injection when i test it, thats about it. then its coming out again, getting the rest of the work, attaching the turbo, and thats how its going.
not new to dyno. been driving/building racecars [dirt track and pavement] w/ my dad since i was 12. building motors and such isnt new to me, just turbos are.
not new to dyno. been driving/building racecars [dirt track and pavement] w/ my dad since i was 12. building motors and such isnt new to me, just turbos are.
See, here's the thing man. That's a quote I came up with when I was messing around with my buddy one day talking about turbo stuff and you ran into it. If your looking for 25psi and you build your engine for that PROPERLY its gonna run like a 2 legged dog with gout. The compression will be so low for the turbo. That's the point I'm making. 12 psi and under really doesn't need built. 12psi is debatable though for some. 15psi in my mind needs some sort of lower compression whether in the head or the pistons. That's all. Not trying to be a hardcore gangsta on the forum boards just making a joke. Good luck and don't be dumb. Listen to all off us here.
JP
05-03-2005, 06:40 PM
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Re: Going Turbo... Few questions
hmm.. see i was under the understanding that a stock honda motor can do 7psi MAX, anything higher will break parts... am i wrong?
no hate here, either. i came to this forum for a reason, and i plan to get everything out of it that i can. everyone's (for the most part) been very helpful so far, thanks alot.
no hate here, either. i came to this forum for a reason, and i plan to get everything out of it that i can. everyone's (for the most part) been very helpful so far, thanks alot.
