Tom-Guy

16g come apart like clockwork at 325+. I've never seen so many turbine wheels that fall off and lodge partway down the downpipe in my life.

heli_easy

lol my dsm is a 2.4 do you really think I would be looking to a 16g for fi support. haha.
dont most 60-1s run around 800 dollars new....give or take?
and isnt it a little vague to compare a whole series of turbochargers to one single unit?

I am not arguing with you about nonsense im simply stating real world numbers that are achieved ever single day on the unit. you claimed most people make under 300whp on 16g and that is complete and utter bullshit. I am sure there are plenty of poor 16g cars out there doing that but your very typical bolt on and fuel upgraded dsm with a 16g will make more than 300hp.... you cannot argue it... well you can... but it just makes you look dumber...

Tom-Guy

$650.

$800 about buys a T67 with T04S-cover.

crx2211

They're on special at Cheap Turbos for $550 sometimes. Again, this isn't pulled out of my ***. My sole intention was to prove that the 16g isn't the best new turbo money can buy. Overall or in the price range, and that the average DSMer isn't making 400whp with one; let alone 300whp on 91 octane pump. I never once denied it's possible, but that's not the average DSMer as proved by you mentioning Curt and Lucas lol. I agree that 300whp is seen fairly regularly, but not as easily and reliably as you're insisting. You keep tailoring your argument to disprove every valid point I've made, yet I've stuck to the same theory the whole time.

And JD is correct, turbine wheel right out the exhaust. It just happened to my friend's car with his 16g (yes the holy grail EVO3 variant) at only 20psi. It exploded the turbine wheel and shot it out the muffler and also destroyed the whole backside of the bearing housing! The shaft snapped off right below the rear journal bearing. The funny thing is that the turbo still felt fine on the compressor side, so it wasn't until I found chunks of Inconel in the muffler that I knew it was toast. For a second I thought we'd huffed a valve lol. I have pictures of the carnage if you don't believe me. So in closing, ---- a 16g and anyone who thinks they're the best turbo money can buy !

crx2211

And post **** noob! Your 1st posts are coming in here and failing, so you have to redeem yourself. If you don't, I'll send JD over to beat up your mother's anus with his 12" NGA **** while your little sister watches him rest his gut on your mom's back while destroying that starfish. Sound fair?

heli_easy

arg I worked for a dsm shop for years and hardly ever seen a 16g setup make less than 300hp maybe I only ran into elite people or something.. lol you obviously dont have much expierence with the 16g its just simple bolt ons and some 650s I know quite a few people making nearly 300 with 14b's with the same mods. I meanton lucas and curt because they are both guys making near 500hp on 16g's infact I believe lucas's stock turbo evo made over 500.

years of working at a shop and it was rare to see mhi turbo's with problems

yet I had pulled up many t25's/t28's/multiple agp models/and other honeywell journal bearing garbage

maybe it was just my crazy luck....
not everybody wants a goddamn 60trim so stop trying to compare price/performance of a damn 60 trim against the 16g compare a t28 to a 16g isnt that a little closer give or take..

this is a never ending battle
Ill post **** if you give me your mothers phone number

well even at that there a little more expensive, not by much but then you need an external gate as well?

Idk were comparing two completely different turbos but as i said before I dont believe garrett makes anything really comparable to the 16g for the price "shrug" like I said above not everybody is looking for a 60 trim turbocharger, especially on a 1.6L engine which is what were were originally talking about?

Tom-Guy

Either you have the most dishonest ------- dyno operator on the face of the planet, or you are a ------- fool fabricating LIES out of whole cloth.


Internal gates are a form of failure.

crx2211

My mother's phone number is 1-800-eat-----. Feel free to give her a call, and then you can post **** from your private stash that includes your mom and sister tag teaming your bed ridden grandfather. Your argument is sofaking retarded dood! You said 16g is the best new turbo money can buy. No it ------- isn't. Not to mention the close to 500whp turbos you're talking about are the EVO 9 turbos with big hotsides and compressor housings and a slightly larger compressor than the DSM 16g's. And this is being done by old pros. You keep changing your story, so please concede your failure, and stop being a spokesman for the little failure of a turbocharger.

heli_easy

your mom eats ----? and has a hotline for it?

this thread started out talking about a small sohc engine and yeah for the money and what he was wanting it was the best money could buy for his setup
of course every setup is different

for instance
2.4L stroked 4g63 with 1mm over sized valves/fp cams/jmf intake/4.5x12x24 ic core with 3" ic pipe/90mm tb/and 1600cc injectors all the sudden the 16g is not the best new turbo money can buy for your setup? lurlurlur

If I just agree with you will you give me your mom's number I wanna see her eat ----.

heli_easy

no lol true ---- infact I believe there was a 14b guy on pos with a fmic and exhaust making 240 whp w/o any fuel tuning or upgrades lol

internal gates although not working as well as a external gate see to work just fine on small trim turbo chargers the 16g with the 34mm flapper seems to do just fine.