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blundar 10-24-2007 04:18 PM

So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
PGMFI isn't going anywhere - I sold the site last year because this legal mess ruined it for me. Some stuff happened on PGMFI last year that caused Hondata to feel the need to sue me. You can read about it on the link below. I'm posting this with the hope that some of those who have benefited from the availability of TurboEdit and Crome might be able to help me out in a time of need.

Thanks a lot.
Dave Blundell
aka blundar

http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?t=11755

Chris Harris 10-24-2007 04:45 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Anyone who knows a good lawyer in Cali that knows about intellectual property rights should email or PM Blundy with some help.

klyph 10-24-2007 05:07 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
That sucks. HMT is a good place to find someone who will curb-stomp the guy for you, but I dunno about legal advice...

Guy-Fast 10-25-2007 01:35 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
If there will be a fundraiser for legal help Im down. Pgmfi has made me plenty of money and made my life easier. I would love to help in nanyway I can.

blundar 10-25-2007 02:15 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
I think Vladimir (the new owner) has volunteered to deal with collecting paypal. If there ends up being anything left over after legal expenses are taken care of, it will be used to finance a few projects he wants more work done on.

pgmfi@pgmfi.org for paypal. Thankyou!

ghettoturbo 10-25-2007 09:46 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Damn the man

HMTguy 10-25-2007 10:11 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
I really hope things work out, I'd hate to see a site as valuable as pgmfi.org go down :l

90dx 10-25-2007 11:42 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Jesus that is pathetic.I will def never rock any Hondata product after reading that.The Honda community really is going down the shitter it had been getting bad but this is a new low :3

sikcrx89 10-25-2007 01:37 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
that really sucks!! i have only just began in the worlds of engine management.. pgmfi has been so helpful to me for the short time i have been learning the ropes.. i will help in any way possible dave.. does the lawyer have to be a cali lawyer or would it matter as long as they are a ip lawyer?

klyph 10-25-2007 01:49 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by 90dx
I will def never rock any Hondata product after reading that.

+1

Racintweek 10-25-2007 07:16 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
if hondata can sue over some thing like that then there are a lot od companies that can get in some serious legal issues with OEM manufacturers.
anyone who produces a flash for a vehicle is in trouble.

hell hondata should be introuble for "hacking" honda's ecu's

stenseltizm 10-25-2007 07:20 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by Racintweek
hell hondata should be introuble for "hacking" honda's ecu's

My thoughts exactly, they didn't make ---- but a modification to an existing product. So you aren't allowed to open souce design a different modification to the same product? ---- that. I'll throw a couple bucks once I get some equipment shipped, I'm too far in dept at the moment.

Sent $10 earlier today, who needs gas money when you got credit cards :P

the 13th round 10-25-2007 11:01 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
i dont know about intelectual ---- but get ahold of robert sheehan. he'll get anyone out. sorry to hear about that ----.

hackish 10-26-2007 09:59 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Shitty Dave,

I always figured they were firing shots over your head trying to intimidate you into shutting the site down. Although I've never seen or used any hondata product I can say for sure I won't be selling any of them. I think the honda market will be happy to see an alternate k-series reflash once development has been completed.

-Michael

JonDouglas 10-26-2007 12:37 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Wow Dave, I just found out this morning via eDtune email updates.

Sorry to hear about the suit.

I will definitely throw some cash into the fund once I have some to spare.

PGMFI and all the developers over there have been an invaluable resource for me and countless others in the Honda community.

As the word of this lawsuit ------s, I hope the Hondata realizes that they are just shooting themselves in the foot in the long run.

:3

blundar 10-26-2007 01:31 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
http://www.d-series.org/forums//showthread.php?t=78209
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2135564
http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2135571
http://www.ohiohondas.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=38491
http://www.cincinnatistreetracing.co...iew=getnewpost
http://www.cincystreetscene.com/foru...ewpost&t=38539

And it continues...

Inquisition 10-26-2007 02:09 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Xenocron: Set it up so that no one can log into this section unless they've donated at least $1.00 to Dave.

sikcrx89 10-26-2007 02:13 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by Inquisition
Xenocron: Set it up so that no one can log into this section unless they've donated at least $1.00 to Dave.

pople here will help dave in whatever way we can... have you ever donated to HMT.. doesnt look like it..i am sure chris will do what he can to help dave as we all will in our own way..

bigdaddyvtec 10-26-2007 02:18 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Dave:

5.00 for the cause

Thats TOTAL BULLSHIT


COuldnt have made 600 without PGMFI

Brian

Inquisition 10-26-2007 02:19 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by sikcrx89
pople here will help dave in whatever way we can... have you ever donated to HMT.. doesnt look like it..i am sure chris will do what he can to help dave as we all will in our own way..

I've donated to HMT. I'm relatively OG. Got banned. Donated AFTER I got banned and never got my sticker or my custom title.

Fact is, everyone can afford to donate a dollar to something worth donating too. You've used Dave's service if you are looking in this section. It's a fact.

Tom-Guy 10-26-2007 02:24 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
I am displeased.

sikcrx89 10-26-2007 02:56 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by Inquisition
I've donated to HMT. I'm relatively OG. Got banned. Donated AFTER I got banned and never got my sticker or my custom title.

Fact is, everyone can afford to donate a dollar to something worth donating too. You've used Dave's service if you are looking in this section. It's a fact.

this is true.. an dyes i will donate when funds become available..

hackish 10-26-2007 04:00 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
http://forums.montrealracing.com/sho...13#post5305013

bigdaddyvtec 10-26-2007 04:24 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Widebody, before you even get a chance to post in this thread and be a total ------- ------ lover, id like to take this opportunity to tell you to go ---- your mom.


QikEnuF 10-26-2007 04:58 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
LMAO @ Spiker

Blundar, kick me an address to mail some $$ to, don't have paypal. Hell, I don't even have a Honda, but learned a good bit from your site. ---- Hondata

ifly87 10-26-2007 05:03 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
sent $10 towards the cause, thanks for you're help

qweakers 10-26-2007 06:03 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
http://www.thezcr.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18451
http://crxcommunity.com/viewtopic.php?t=10611

money sent

JonDouglas 10-26-2007 07:06 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
http://www.kcsr.org/viewtopic.php?t=166354
http://www.ef-honda.com/main/viewtopic.php?t=30671

Only ones I frequent that haven't been posted.

I really hope this ends up as a PR nightmare for Hondata. I may not be a big fan of their products to begin with, but this is a chicken ---- lawsuit.

EDIT:

Donation has been sent. I wish Dave and his family the best.

Guy-Fast 10-26-2007 08:38 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
People send the guy who made all this happen a couple bucks. We all can spend that Im sorry even people who dont have jobs. ---- go collect same cans for 20 minutes and you got 3 bucks. If everyone drops him a couple bucks for all the hard work and people who have used the site has a source he will have the ability to fight the corect way with a strong legal team



I was around when things like hmt and pgmfi werent around and ------ blowing up cars on fmu's and not be able to tune all motor cars sucked ass. This has made everyones life cheaper and easier. Send your lunch money in today.

Oscar 10-26-2007 11:00 PM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
That's ------- gay man.

I hope everything works out for you.

I will send $20 for every car I tune, or w/e I can send some money your way.

btw, I made a thread here.
http://cb7tuner.com/vbb/showthread.php?t=88299

Bone1 10-27-2007 12:14 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Lets just say my donation will likely be assembling a few GSR "parts" trannys that Dave can sell for funds.

I helped Dave get into Honda's when he didn't know what a wrench was, surely not gonna back out now!

Dave, you know me, Joe'e, Fowee, Ryan and the rest of the faithful in 'nati are hear to help.

Enough bad PR, Hondata will get hurt, but it is like taking on Bill Gates, only you have more people on your side :)

92turbohatch 10-27-2007 12:22 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
I donated.As soon as I sell something else Im gonna donate again.

Minor Threat 10-27-2007 01:07 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by Mista Bone
Lets just say my donation will likely be assembling a few GSR "parts" trannys that Dave can sell for funds.

I helped Dave get into Honda's when he didn't know what a wrench was, surely not gonna back out now!

Dave, you know me, Joe'e, Fowee, Ryan and the rest of the faithful in 'nati are hear to help.

Enough bad PR, Hondata will get hurt, but it is like taking on Bill Gates, only you have more people on your side :)

I hope in the end Doug realizes how much of a mistake it was to pick on Dave.

Guy-Fast 10-27-2007 01:13 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Originally Posted by Minor Threat
I hope in the end Doug realizes how much of a mistake it was to pick on Dave.



Over really nothing. No one is bootlegging Hondata software.

90dx 10-27-2007 01:17 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
$50 sent fuckem Dave lets get you enough funds to beat them in court :y Going to post in all the western Canada forums >:D

leed 10-27-2007 02:21 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Put your money where your mouth is Nog's. Without PGMFI.org, HMT would still be flooded w/ post's about FMU's hahaha. Free engine mgmnt for those willing to learn and Extremely cost effective for those who just pay for a street tune was all made possible by PGMFI.org

If you have ever run CROME, TurboEdit, Uber, BRE, ECUcontrol, or GhettoDyne (FTMFW), etc.. pony up some $$$ and pass this thread along.

Dave



blundar 10-27-2007 02:46 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Dave Lee, you were too kind and generous. Thankyou and thankyou.

If anyone is curious about the DETAILS of this mess and how it has been handled up to this point, go check out the Long Story - it's probably an hour read, but everything that has been exchanged over this mess is available for your viewing pleasure.

MikeJ-2009 10-27-2007 03:44 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
I just read all of it, and it's bullshit. They basically didn't give a ---- about any downloading of anything that may have happened. They just wanted control of the site.

I don't think in the end they're gonna be happy with that demand. :6

Chris Harris 10-27-2007 07:25 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
Anyone going to SEMA needs to stop by the Hondata booth and ask Doug what the purpose of the law suit is...respectfully and honestly. Then sit back and listen to the answer...and leave it at that.

Scott-EP 10-27-2007 11:29 AM

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 
anybody know of hondata will be ar PRI? i will definitly talk to them about it in a very professional way. and i have some cash that will be on its way to you for legal fees. you should then counter sue for the legal fees and hook us up with some decals. lol


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