Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

LOL ass. But it's great that your helping this fella out, I already stated my beliefs so darnet you beat me to it.haha. Has anyone checked into Hondata to hear their side of the story or ARE WE BEING ONE TRACKED MINDED?
I believe that Hond@t@ needs to sign up on here and post what the ---- is going on. I've read all the threads"well skimmied through them" and alot of it sounds legit but a couple of frases sound wack.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

did you read the legal discourse between hondata and blundell's lawyer? hondata's "side" is presented for all to see there.

just when everybody thinks you're starting to not be the worst plague since cancer, you have to open your stupid cockholster. again.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

widebody, if you want to hear Hondata's side of the story, you can read some of the proposed settlements that are linkined in "the long story." Most of them include a "statement of events" that we both agree to. Minus the infringement of IP rights blah blah blah me do bad stuff blah blah blah parts, the factual record between what I have posted and what they ask me to agree to is remarkably similar.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I just donated Dave. Good luck with those assholes.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Link please, I may donate if I change my mind.... Or hell I could be biased cause I'm faithful to their products. But hell people can make mistakes or be complete dicks too JOHNMICHAEL.
Blundar post that link and I will see what I can do.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

http://www.hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7135

Let's see the response?

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

You lazy twit.

http://forum.pgmfi.org/viewtopic.php?p=95637

Read tgrough all of the information.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I searched and hondata is not listed for PRI.

-Michael

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I bet it gets deleted :)

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I already did. It was about 3 posts ABOVE your original post. You can read every single document exchange between us. It will probably take you quite some time - probably about an hour. Hondata's perspective, statement of facts and reasoning is contained in their documents.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Well, the HT threads got deleted :(. Dave, pm me your address so I can send some dough your way..

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Ugh, this pisses me off. Hope this battle comes out with you as the victor.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I read the letter you got via thrown on your porch thats in a PDF. Damages 1-50 I doubt that reached the california residents. So they are also attacking people also"it sounds" that are publically"internet" defacing their creditability as a compancy and is effecting their business.
A. This site is bad about that already oooops :o
B. I do agree that Hondata is biting more than they can chew
C. They got money and are substantially are a legit business with patents and I bet the court system will give them the upperhand cause of their resources and documentation that they can dig up before mods start deleting the posts that deface their patents"name aka H0nd@t@" so they dont become vistims too.

Yes they are being quite tha bastards about it. Yes they might win. But how long will it take before someone else unlocks the K code like PGMFI did with the Obd1 systems.

So this is my last statement. They are wrong and right at the same time....So I'm staying neutral until I find more conversation between the 2 parties

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Did you actually read everything or just skim through it?


I modified my original post because I FUBARed it. So here it is quoted again.

There is a thread on Honda-Tech in the GD section about this incident.

http://www.honda-tech.com/zerothread?id=2135448&page=1

Also, what exactly is your point abouth someone eventually cracking the K series code?

Yeah, the guys on PGMFI might delve into Honda's code to start deciphering it and figuring out how it all works like they did with Honda's OBD1 code.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Um all the jdm tuners aka J's/Mugen/spoon broke K series code well before Hondata did just lik they did back in like 1989 with the obdo pr3/pw0 code



J's also has already devloped stuff for the newer si ecu and euro accord which Hondata wont develop because they cant


Ya some of those short little asians guys can actually build stuff.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Heres the actual law regarding this issue:

Cliff notes- your not liable for damages as long as you took down the software as soon as you found it.

(c) INFORMATION RESIDING ON SYSTEMS OR NETWORKS AT DIRECTION OF USERS-

`(1) IN GENERAL- A service provider shall not be liable for monetary relief, or, except as provided in subsection (j), for injunctive or other equitable relief, for infringement of copyright by reason of the storage at the direction of a user of material that resides on a system or network controlled or operated by or for the service provider, if the service provider--

`(A)(i) does not have actual knowledge that the material or an activity using the material on the system or network is infringing;

`(ii) in the absence of such actual knowledge, is not aware of facts or circumstances from which infringing activity is apparent; or

`(iii) upon obtaining such knowledge or awareness, acts expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material;

`(B) does not receive a financial benefit directly attributable to the infringing activity, in a case in which the service provider has the right and ability to control such activity; and

`(C) upon notification of claimed infringement as described in paragraph (3), responds expeditiously to remove, or disable access to, the material that is claimed to be infringing or to be the subject of infringing activity.

Source: http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/...BZzgDY:e57148:

Also mentions non profit educational institutions as being exempt but i couldn't find where it actually defined this, anyway i'll send you some loot when my credit card payment clears monday :)

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Sounds legit seriously who do you think the FEDERAL/CIVIL court system is going to believe,,,,,,,an individual thats took bit's and peices of the Hondata code and altered it to fit a different alteration of basically the same make and example or someone that had patents and are a patent holder and a legit business licensed company? Not being an ass but seriously think about it...........................Your driving down a street following the rules and are just a tad below the noise ordance and also smog legal,,,,,,,,,and a State trooper that says that you were speeding cause he could see" hmmm hmmm " hear your car moving and he gave you a ticket for moving 6mph over. You against a large system who do you think they will take sides?

I'm just asking that you seriously think about what would happen and I think your donations are towards a great cause for the community but at the same time I think it's a waste cause 1 person against an army wont win even if you have a NUKE"internet forums" Judges dont care about forums and they really care less about the import scene. All they see is a business against a HACKER even if he is not a hacker and just shared the info on a how to for free It's just a loss cause. Until our generation gets into the late years and gets into the federal/judicial government we will never win. NEVER. How many of you that got pulled over for driving a import for a "tail light broken and got a ticket and when they drove off you looked and it works?" And when you went to fight it in court you lost, just so the SYSTEM checked up on a import to make sure they were legal"OSOSLOWHATCH"" is a perfect example of it. Yeah he was doing right for helping out a group of intoxicated people, but for his merit he spent time in jail. You think a judge cared about him helping to keep drunk drivers off the street knowing he knows how to drive? Or did he care that he can slam his ass into jail and cause him grief for driving violations without ins. ??? Think about that for a split

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Hondata WEBSITE discussion about the whole thing about hondata syaying they are not sueing?

Not sueing then why are you guys sending cash. They are still working out a deal.

http://hondata.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=7135

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Their request is simply insane. I don't get why they believe they deserve moderator rights. I also don't understand why 48 hours isn't "fast enough". I would have told the guy to ---- off and waited for a court order to remove the program.

And Hondata isn't suing pgmfi. They are suing Dave and 1-50 other people that downloaded the software.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Sorry, HT threads were NOT deleted, but merged and in GDD forum on HT, no need for three threads when one will do.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

if you want to talk to them.. pm them on HT.. they are big supporters over there

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Nice quick edit, sik. :P

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

widebody93 I love how you went to Hondata's website and started crying about getting harassed on HMT.

:l

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

thank you thank you!!.. i get them cornfused from time to time..hasport,hond$t$.. its all the same

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

and as to widebody.. someone BAN this ------- douche.. dave has expained eveything in great detail without hiding anything.. obviously you cant read!!!.. this is that fags post on hondata's forum.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

ban this idiot X 4698. i don't know why you're supporting hondata, it's been clearly outlined that they are in the wrong. you're free to spend your money where you want, it's just too bad you can't buy success. you're a bandwagon fanboi faggot who can't build or tune his own car... this forum is certainly not a place for you.

go spew your special brand of cancer somewhere else.

donation sent, even though i don't own a honda anymore.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

leave him alone. you may not like his opinion, but he's just exercising his freedom of speech.

Furthermore, some very interesting discussion has come out of Doug and Derek's responses.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

on the hondata forum or to you personally?

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

im suprised that HT is supporting blunder so much, happy but suprised.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

hondata forum.

And guys, please leave widebody alone. He's entitled to his opinions and he's entitled to express them. You can disagree with him all you want, but banning him because he doesn't think like you do is asinine.

I'm blown away by the support I have received. Thanks to one and all.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

It's not his stance on this that makes us hate him. He is just a bad human I think? :S

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Blundar
It sounds like I was attacking you but I'm not really trying to do that. I'm just wanting "THEM" to say something and actually think about the whole community and how people make mistakes. Sometimes it just sounds redundant like a lawyer is with them as they type a reply to your posts.
They actually going to try and talk to you rather than hiding behind the lawyer?

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Ibjust reaD the thread on hondatas site... SOMEONE BAN THIS ------- ------ NOW. ---- ill do it, he has been nothing but a whiny faggot since day one and its getting not one bit better.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

I'm not whining, your all against me cause I want to hear both sides and I post on both sides asking questions cause IT EFFECTS ALL OF US. But I'm a user of Hondata and I like their work, never liked the others but it suits you guys fine and it was free, no issue with that on my part but you my friend are cliche and most do what others inflict around you. You like your EM and I like my EM so whoop deee dooo. You make remarks that are attempting to insult me but it dont work HAVE I ATTACKED YOU with no reason NOPE, just responses only.
Have a nice day FUCKBALL

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Dude, you don't know anything about the subject, how can you derive an opinion on what you do/don't like about all the others?

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Cause I have friends that have all that junk hanging out the ecu and power supplies connected to cig. lighter socket. They are always having issues with it jumping off line or some stuff out of the ordinary. Just a lap top and a USB and it's gravy.

Again I'm not against the people who use it, its a tool, people choose what they like.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

thats because you and your friends are retarded.

I only have a laptop and 2 usb cables. and its gravy.

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

x2, lol. Same here one USB to Ostrich which is velcro'ed to ECU, and one for datalogging, wow that is soooo complicated I'd rather pay $595 to some cock jocky with some stickers and a company name like Hond$t$.

You're seriously a ------- retard, the whole story is posted in great detail HEREhttp://forum.pgmfi.org/

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

Guys relax...he is a tard but entitled to his own opinions.

keep it on track and let everyone voice their own opinions, whether you agree or not isnt all that important.

right now we just want clean respectful discussions (for both sides) and maximum exposure for the events unfolding

no need to start rioting :)

Re: So Hondata decided to sue me over PGMFI.
 

But whats the fun in that?

We have to be pissed off at somthing and Honda-Tech is getting boring.