Originally Posted by 78NOVA

ok after thinkin about ---- here and there i wanna go to a b series engine because after reading about what chris said and others, it seems as though its the better choice in the long run after everything is said and done. i started to compile a parts list and i think i know waht i need to get, but i just want to make sure im doing this right. i already got a good heads up on my parts because of parts galore. the motor will be rebuilt from the ground up to ensure a good healthy running engine.

B18A1/B2 motor
b series into ef mounts
b series trans
b series axles
90-91 integra knuckles or 91 civic sedan ex knuckles
pr4 obd1 ecu(Im converting to obd1)- i already have this item
can i use my current engine harness which was mpfi converted and currently driving with d series, then get obd1 conversion harness.

as far as i can think this is all i would need from the junkyard to get me started. the only thing thats gets me is the steering knuckles and hubs. thats one of the reasons why i made this thread. i should be heading to the junkyard saturday and picking everything up. gotta love the import section.

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

Yes on wiring, also need shaft linkage. 91 ex knuckles are a better choice, but almost the same thing. There is a sponsor on here ProjectDC2 that sells mounts at killer prices. Any other questions?

Originally Posted by Gold DA9

so you guys are saying i cant se my 91 dx axles?

Originally Posted by chris

mpfi=mpfi


you have to extend a couple wires thats it



Best bet is just find a wrecked integra every part you need and then get a low mileage jdm b20b block from me :6

Originally Posted by buk9tp

dont ---- arround and just go STRAIGHT to 91 ex knuckles complete from the jy spindle and all :3

also dont ---- arround and pay to have your wiring harness swapped at rywire..
basically you send em the obd0 harness and the obd1 harness and they swap everything for ya repin ---- splice ---- and give you a working good to go harness and your all ------- set

source out a local screw ma and pa shop and make them your best friends

also i have a p75 ecu for i beileve an integra ls...

so let me know if jooo want to buy it

Originally Posted by buk9tp

lol EX And integra knuckles are the same... well idk how simular.. but the EX rotors are the same ones as the integra rotors..


if wiring isnt an issue for you then why dont you come wire my gsr for me african american?

:-*

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

Some people say the ex ones are a little better; I have ran both and have not notice anything different. Get which ever one is cheaper. To the Op take this from someone that his been in your shoes a ton of times. Make up your mind from the start, the more you change things around the more it will cost you and the longer it will take.

Originally Posted by chris

Heads up I part out atleast 1 integra a month. These cars are 15-19 years in age the motors in them are tired. Very raraely do I see a block that will even making the ls swap worth your time unless you bore over the block then the cost becomes a major issue with machine work etc


I sell complete b20b shortblocks for this reason. Heads are little more forgiving in the mileage department. Alot of the time a good degreasing and new valve seals is all that is needed



Compression is your friend and a low compression 200k b18a1 block you will be lucky to put down 100 whp to the ground.


b20b is the future of cheap swaps the ls motor is old/tired. Ls is great if you plan on spending 500 to rebuild the block by why bother when you can get a b20b shortblock for that cost and its a low mileage unit and only 7-8 years old. Oh and the 84mm bore is nice too

Originally Posted by chris

500 shipped for complete b20b blocks no head/manifolds just use ls head/manifolds


by the time you bore over
new pistons/rings
bearings
line hone etc



your lucky if your at 500 in total price and now have a smaller motor than the b20b. Just doesnt seem worth it to build a b18a1 to stock specs

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

I have a few ls heads I have laying around, I would sell to you for 80 shipped. Might need to be put together.

Originally Posted by chris

I think I have like 10 ls heads at the shop


I sell complete shortblocks since no one wants that head on a b20b block and people end up junking the ls heads. Also all my b20b's I get come with p8r heads so I sell them seperate since most importers dont get that motor

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

is there something wrong with a complete longblock? isnt that good enough for a swap? how much are you asking for that shipped? or are this p8r heads junk?

Originally Posted by chris

p8r heads=rare non vtec heads that flow the same rate has b16a heads


84mm chamber head/big valves I sell the heads alone for 400 since they only came in one car for one year ever


I dont sell complete longblocks has I source b20b's with p8r so i can sell the b20b bottom end for the vtec corwd and the p8r head for the non vtec corwd

I have 6 b20b's at the shop

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

well ok. i skipped going to the jy this week in order to save a little up. im considering the b20b bottom end from you. what i need to do is get some numbers going. may i ask you what the average millage is on these motors from you?

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

40,000 to 60,000 is what they should be around.

Originally Posted by chris

depends some I have gotten had 10,000 miles


but yes 30-50k is the norm


all compression tested



ask turbohf how he likes his b20b block he got from me.

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

is 500 shipped the HMT discount? and as being a previous buyer, do i get anything special >:D

Originally Posted by chris

I can drop a couple bucks off for ya and a little more if I can ship to a business address

Originally Posted by ratcityrex

how much for the b20z????

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

Where did he say anything about a b20z?

Pm him instead.

on another note, I sen the rev limit on these b20b's is only 6300. Is thisjust with the stock head? What can expect to run with a ms head?

Originally Posted by ratcityrex

how much for the b20z????

Originally Posted by chris

I run stock b20b bottom ends with b16a heads to 9k no problem. b20's have very weak cams stock which inturn are a result of the rev limiter along with the intake manifold design

99 percent of b20b motor come with ls heads. P8r head is rare and very valueable. Maybe 1 in every 500 has a p8r head

The head is what makes your rpm range honda motor stroke is to small to make a difference. Except with the b16a which is in a world all by itself

Originally Posted by ratcityrex

how much for the b20z????

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

i also forgot to ask you Chris, what would you estimate the hp range im looking at? just so i can get a stiff one in my pants thinking about it till i get the thing in the car. if its above 140 hp on stock parts than im happy. i was also thinkin about getting some cams.

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

Most likely about around 160 at the wheels.

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

i hope your not shitting me man!!!!!! if i get that much hp out of a ls head sitting on top a b20b block then hell ya. i also planned on getting a header since i will be na for a while. now it comes down to intake choices as well. not sure what to get in that department.

Originally Posted by crxvtec91

Hum....... Reading owns me and you, I thought you said a vtec head :P.

Originally Posted by chris

140 whp should be doable with the set up your planning

Originally Posted by 78NOVA

and chris here to save the day :P

yeah i already have a 2 1/2 inch exhaust with a resonator and glasspack that sounds tits right now. so i think a header will wake it up some more. then toss a 50-75 wet shot behind it..... :1