msd 6a question
04-25-2005, 04:31 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
Originally Posted by crx2fast
Originally Posted by whiterice
Originally Posted by crx2fast
not worth it in my opinion
its like sayin "yeah i would rather spend hundreds of dollars on something thats gonna make a nice idol
? or spend hundreds of dollars on say a bigger turbo or exhaust, somthing thats actualy gonna make a big improvement in power"
you decide...
oh and..
Originally Posted by AbaZ
Get a external coil and cap... it will help with ignition break up on the top end.
04-25-2005, 04:49 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
if you saw bermantors kit you would know what i'm talkin about on spending money wisely 
that was my opinion towards him and only him.
so i guess i need to have a turbo on my car too, to have a valid opinion also. i'll remember that next time
that was my opinion towards him and only him.so i guess i need to have a turbo on my car too, to have a valid opinion also. i'll remember that next time
04-25-2005, 04:56 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
i agree. spending money wisely is the most important thing.
my broke *** knows this as my hmt setup shows. i luv the msd cuz i paid wholesale price. i couldnt imagine paying retail for those now.
<80 would be a good deal on ebay. cap and coils are very cheap. adding the msd tower to the stock cap is the cheapest way to do it.
here is a good write up: http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/t...tor/index.html
the tip is about $7 at summit and jegs MSD-8803
my broke *** knows this as my hmt setup shows. i luv the msd cuz i paid wholesale price. i couldnt imagine paying retail for those now.
<80 would be a good deal on ebay. cap and coils are very cheap. adding the msd tower to the stock cap is the cheapest way to do it.
here is a good write up: http://www.hondatuningmagazine.com/t...tor/index.html
the tip is about $7 at summit and jegs MSD-8803
04-26-2005, 05:49 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
Noel's point towards Jeremy is that his money would be better spent on a nice FMIC and the needed plumbing. Then his turbo system will be complete. Until then, everything else I would think would come second. His car is coming along nicely.
04-26-2005, 11:49 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
Originally Posted by whiterice
its worth every penny. and its not just for a nice idol. ( i think you mean idle ) it does increase hp, and gas mileage.
There are multiple dynos where MSDs on Hondas have lost power.
Originally Posted by Mista Bone
JD, my MSD 6AL was on a CRX for 2 years, a stang for a year, then on my car for 4 years.
Never a ignitor failure.
Never a ignitor failure.
Ask Blundy about ignitor replacement circuit for MSD ppl, and about how prevalent MSD + ignitor failure is.
04-27-2005, 12:38 AM
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Re: msd 6a question
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
Originally Posted by whiterice
its worth every penny. and its not just for a nice idol. ( i think you mean idle ) it does increase hp, and gas mileage.
There are multiple dynos where MSDs on Hondas have lost power.
Originally Posted by Mista Bone
JD, my MSD 6AL was on a CRX for 2 years, a stang for a year, then on my car for 4 years.
Never a ignitor failure.
Never a ignitor failure.
Ask Blundy about ignitor replacement circuit for MSD ppl, and about how prevalent MSD + ignitor failure is.
Only reason it's not on the car now, I did fell like unwiring the Z6 dizzy.I did notice one improvement with the MSD 6AL, easier starts.
04-27-2005, 12:18 PM
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Re: msd 6a question
Here's a quote from VaporTrail on HT, he owns a dyno and tunes a ton of cars:
For that matter, I tune a ton of cars, too. I did the testing for Ghettodyne (which became kinda sorta TurboEdit, although Jason's brought it further than Mike ever did GhD), UD until v1.2, and have a number of hours of seat time with DFI gen 6 and 7, Hyundaidata K-Poop, two different flavors of Megasquirt, 1G DSM ECUs, and lately I've been walking all over USDM SE-R and Aussie GTi-R ECUs (same motherboard) (God, I ------- love Nissans). I've got a number of 400+ whp rides under my belt, and I'm pretty hip to ignition problems; with Honduhs, somewhere between 300whp and 400whp the inexorable logistics of the Tunerboy (tm) process makes reliable, consistant performance significantly harder to acheive. DIY wiring tragedies, and a lot of useless or mis-installed crap, is the usual suspect.
There are problems with MSDs in re lag between trigger signal and firing, and most notably dwell time - that multiple spark ---- is not the bestest idea evar, guys, regardless of OMG JDM IDLE QUALITY. The MSD 6A schematic is posted on the diy-efi archives/ftp. We can all have a rollicking good time discoursing on circuit design, individual component selection merits, and real world versus ideal performance of electronica.
Hey, on the subject of idle quality, ever try to add a proper grounding system to your car? I see 1,001 MSDs when I go to the strip, but never seen a proper grounding system aside from online postwhoring activities.
:P
I've never seen an MSD box give power, smoothness, or anything beneficial on a Honda. More often than not, they seem to cause interferance with the ecu and actually lose power. I'll have to get the dyno graph where we bypassed the MSD and picked up 50whp on a turbo ITR.
If you simply must modify the stock ignition, just do an external coil, thats the only thing thats weak, and only then above 400whp. Stock wires were good enough for Chris Rado to run 8s, thats all the endorsement I need.
If you simply must modify the stock ignition, just do an external coil, thats the only thing thats weak, and only then above 400whp. Stock wires were good enough for Chris Rado to run 8s, thats all the endorsement I need.
There are problems with MSDs in re lag between trigger signal and firing, and most notably dwell time - that multiple spark ---- is not the bestest idea evar, guys, regardless of OMG JDM IDLE QUALITY. The MSD 6A schematic is posted on the diy-efi archives/ftp. We can all have a rollicking good time discoursing on circuit design, individual component selection merits, and real world versus ideal performance of electronica.
Hey, on the subject of idle quality, ever try to add a proper grounding system to your car? I see 1,001 MSDs when I go to the strip, but never seen a proper grounding system aside from online postwhoring activities.
:P
