LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
07-19-2007, 01:25 PM
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LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
ok fellow HMT motor heads...i need some pro advice on my motor.
i posted this thread on H-T AND AFTER 153 VIEWS, IN THE ALL MOTOR FORUM AND NO info........I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BOOST HEADS HERE BUT COULD USE YOUR INPUT ON THE BUILD AND POSIBLY ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTOR....btw ---- H-T FOR NOT HAVING TECH
******* NOTE TO SELF ****** this is a NA motor build for now....will BOOST in future...
background on the how i got the motor...
my good friend had his motor built down in some shop in Philly. the motor was in his hatch, never ran it at the track...i drove it, it felt good and pulled hard all the way to reline..his car got in an accident.. we dropped it it several other chassis eg hatch, coupe, DC teg..blah blah blah...he sold the motor in a 2 door teg..never saw it till about a year ago....kid needed work done to it...herd i had wrench time on the car....long story short..kid owned money to me, so i got the motor for the cost of and LS to have him a runnin' car, and no $$$ own'd to me...NOW i have to tare it down and figure what i got....
the motor specs as fare as i know...so far...
HEAD
PR3 stamp obd0 b16head (can tell by the cam oil bars)
good:
crower stage 3 cams
crower Ti retainers and dual valve springs
LOOKS ported head??
valves look stock (and burt, kid was running 87 oct)
bad:
stock b16 obd0 intake manifold
b16 throttle body
stock (looking at lease) injectors
BLOCK: =)
B18b block base.
good:
GE sleeved
83mm bore
forged pistons (looks like a loose setup for less resistance, and a semi dome piston)
forged Rods (need to figure length, don't wanta be reving a long rod motor)
stock looking crank LS (i believe)
bad:
it had stock gsr head bolts
head gasket didnt look very pretty
a lil dirty..lol
statement:
this motor isnt my first walk around the block (no pun), i have build some lsvtecs and have rebuild some b16's and a d16...i know my ---- when it come to the basics but now i am in the "big boys" league...when this motor was running it sounded like a tank...
QUESTIONS
i know as soon as i can get pics up i will...they will help u guys help me
1.what kinda numbers will i get with this setup, i know its all about the tune and it can make or brake any build..200whp...210whp?
2.need to figure exact specs of the motor what tools will help in this and where to buy...plus need good formulas....i know its a 1.9l assuming the 89mm stroke of a ls crank.
3.what can i rev this motor to when all done, i've been in the car and seen it go to 9500 a few times....
4.header options....a few not just the mint-o-pinto Baller headers either ...GOOD..BETTER and BEST..options
5.i am going the run my 65mm throttle body for now. with my ITR manifold...with my whale ***** "fake j's" intake what might i want to consider in the future...
PLAN of ATTACK
-freshing up the motor new seals and gaskets, rings seem find i was getting 205psi on the compression test and that was on a cold motor
-new valves the old ones and carbon'd up...lol should keep them in high compression ratio lol....
-exhaust? what size...cars not going to be my daily driver i got a four door
-bigger injectors 310? 370?
-and TUNE TUNE TUNE.....how should i go about tunning..buy a wide ban setup and i was thinking about Crome sense I've heard good things with it and have lots of base maps for it.
the motor is going in my 95 VX hatch hoping to hit high 12's and make fun of the local 5.0L's overall...thanks for your time..and hopfully everyone give useful infomation
i posted this thread on H-T AND AFTER 153 VIEWS, IN THE ALL MOTOR FORUM AND NO info........I KNOW YOU GUYS ARE BOOST HEADS HERE BUT COULD USE YOUR INPUT ON THE BUILD AND POSIBLY ANSWER SOME QUESTIONS ABOUT THE MOTOR....btw ---- H-T FOR NOT HAVING TECH
******* NOTE TO SELF ****** this is a NA motor build for now....will BOOST in future...
background on the how i got the motor...
my good friend had his motor built down in some shop in Philly. the motor was in his hatch, never ran it at the track...i drove it, it felt good and pulled hard all the way to reline..his car got in an accident.. we dropped it it several other chassis eg hatch, coupe, DC teg..blah blah blah...he sold the motor in a 2 door teg..never saw it till about a year ago....kid needed work done to it...herd i had wrench time on the car....long story short..kid owned money to me, so i got the motor for the cost of and LS to have him a runnin' car, and no $$$ own'd to me...NOW i have to tare it down and figure what i got....
the motor specs as fare as i know...so far...
HEAD
PR3 stamp obd0 b16head (can tell by the cam oil bars)
good:
crower stage 3 cams
crower Ti retainers and dual valve springs
LOOKS ported head??
valves look stock (and burt, kid was running 87 oct)
bad:
stock b16 obd0 intake manifold
b16 throttle body
stock (looking at lease) injectors
BLOCK: =)
B18b block base.
good:
GE sleeved
83mm bore
forged pistons (looks like a loose setup for less resistance, and a semi dome piston)
forged Rods (need to figure length, don't wanta be reving a long rod motor)
stock looking crank LS (i believe)
bad:
it had stock gsr head bolts
head gasket didnt look very pretty
a lil dirty..lol
statement:
this motor isnt my first walk around the block (no pun), i have build some lsvtecs and have rebuild some b16's and a d16...i know my ---- when it come to the basics but now i am in the "big boys" league...when this motor was running it sounded like a tank...
QUESTIONS
i know as soon as i can get pics up i will...they will help u guys help me
1.what kinda numbers will i get with this setup, i know its all about the tune and it can make or brake any build..200whp...210whp?
2.need to figure exact specs of the motor what tools will help in this and where to buy...plus need good formulas....i know its a 1.9l assuming the 89mm stroke of a ls crank.
3.what can i rev this motor to when all done, i've been in the car and seen it go to 9500 a few times....
4.header options....a few not just the mint-o-pinto Baller headers either ...GOOD..BETTER and BEST..options
5.i am going the run my 65mm throttle body for now. with my ITR manifold...with my whale ***** "fake j's" intake what might i want to consider in the future...
PLAN of ATTACK
-freshing up the motor new seals and gaskets, rings seem find i was getting 205psi on the compression test and that was on a cold motor
-new valves the old ones and carbon'd up...lol should keep them in high compression ratio lol....
-exhaust? what size...cars not going to be my daily driver i got a four door
-bigger injectors 310? 370?
-and TUNE TUNE TUNE.....how should i go about tunning..buy a wide ban setup and i was thinking about Crome sense I've heard good things with it and have lots of base maps for it.
the motor is going in my 95 VX hatch hoping to hit high 12's and make fun of the local 5.0L's overall...thanks for your time..and hopfully everyone give useful infomation
07-19-2007, 01:29 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
450ccs + big turbo = car worth driving.
without boost thats a gutless useless motor that will get smoked by most dseries hatches you try to pull up on with 200$ hmt kits. this is not homemadestorebuiltengineforn/a.com
without boost thats a gutless useless motor that will get smoked by most dseries hatches you try to pull up on with 200$ hmt kits. this is not homemadestorebuiltengineforn/a.com
07-19-2007, 01:40 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
LOL ...i know but at lease i am getting so input here.....i know 1.9l boosted are good....
overall what can i expect to get from this motor.....if i was to boost i would want a LOW compression SLUG liek WRX are ...lol my buddie has one with a boost issue and my SOHC VTEC four door walks on him....
overall what can i expect to get from this motor.....if i was to boost i would want a LOW compression SLUG liek WRX are ...lol my buddie has one with a boost issue and my SOHC VTEC four door walks on him....
07-19-2007, 02:29 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I doubt you will see 200whp. Its sleeved. change out the pistons and boost it. 400+ all day.
Originally Posted by punkracer
overall what can i expect to get from this motor.....if i was to boost i would want a LOW compression SLUG liek WRX are ...lol my buddie has one with a boost issue and my SOHC VTEC four door walks on him....
And no, compression does NOT make the turbo spool faster. Regardless of what you may have read on H-T.
07-19-2007, 05:54 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by CSaddict
I doubt you will see 200whp. Its sleeved. change out the pistons and boost it. 400+ all day.
Originally Posted by Hitchhikkr
+100000
You dont want too low compression on a turbo car, anything below 8.5:1 static c/r (this is a general statement applies to most engines) is too low and worthless. If you really wanna get deep, its kinda pointless to calculate static c/r anyway......
And no, compression does NOT make the turbo spool faster. Regardless of what you may have read on H-T.
You dont want too low compression on a turbo car, anything below 8.5:1 static c/r (this is a general statement applies to most engines) is too low and worthless. If you really wanna get deep, its kinda pointless to calculate static c/r anyway......
And no, compression does NOT make the turbo spool faster. Regardless of what you may have read on H-T.
if i was to boost i would go the high (higher than normal) C/R and low boost to make good power.....with a sleeved motor as i have people would run 20+ psi and a goof tune....the whole thing is still up in the air, i got my daily driver four door for now...
AS for the actual build of the motor...i think i could (in theory) rev the **** out of it, the stroke and bore are closer to each other, its still an over square motor, the cams are made to make high end power...the only missing link would be a baller header..lol.
07-19-2007, 06:22 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
-One you dont even know the compression nor the dome size of the pistons
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft
-have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams
-using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor
to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft
-have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams
-using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor
to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how
07-19-2007, 08:10 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no TECH
Originally Posted by chris
-One you dont even know the compression nor the dome size of the pistons
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft
-have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams
-using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor
to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how
-valve reliefs are they even set up for such a a large camshaft
-have you clayed the motor to make sure you even at stock cam timing you can even run the cams
-using a stock manifold/throttle body/head for an all motor project is about has worthless has throwing those cams in that motor
to figure out the stroke all you need is a digital caliper and some know how
THE MOTOR RAN AND DROVE.........the motor is good...basicly, i just tear the motor down to know what i was dealing with.... to calc the specs in...and to find out the history of the motor....
as for having the stock ---- on it , MY BEST AND EDUCATED GUESS IS the KID RAN OUTAQ $$$$$$$$
07-19-2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
cams are oversized imo not to mention you dont even know your compression. a low compression motor with those size lift cams are just bleeding of what little compression you have basically making them a major flaw
07-19-2007, 08:14 PM
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Re: LOOK WHAT I GOT..1.9L ls/vtec..crower stage 3 cams.. F*CK H-T for having no
1. Remove B16 head
2. Sell to some ricer for ridiculous $$ because it's a M4d TyTe JDM modded b16 head
3. Slap on stock B18B head
4. Buy turbo stuff with $$ from TyTe JDM modded b16 head.
5. Boost to the moon for little $$ input.
On another note, don't LS bottom ends have a shitty rod/stroke ratio for revving really high? Where's JD?
2. Sell to some ricer for ridiculous $$ because it's a M4d TyTe JDM modded b16 head
3. Slap on stock B18B head
4. Buy turbo stuff with $$ from TyTe JDM modded b16 head.
5. Boost to the moon for little $$ input.
On another note, don't LS bottom ends have a shitty rod/stroke ratio for revving really high? Where's JD?
