Originally Posted by D Grade

- 12.67 @ 107 with a 1.7 60'

- Stock wastegate flapper, unported wastegate passage. Caused boost to spike to a level, then drop off a psi or two as rmps go up. That be boost spike, yo.

- I needed some form of tuning adjustability for the 550cc's, right? Plus whynot? The 3" GM MAF sensor itself is a mod, it outflows the 1G MAS quite a bit. Easier to tune than an SAFC (even though not quite as acurate), no hack job required, option to go blow-through, etc... Need I go on? Power level doesn't matter to me as of why I got it, I got the MAFT for tuning and for improvement under driving condition over the 1G MAS along with the flow factor over the 1G MAS. Plus MAFT's go a long way, and I knew over time that the longer I had that DSM, the more I'd want to eventually upgrade.

- I don't believe it costs that much to add the 34mm WG option. I believe the Evo III B16G comes with a 34mm stock, but I could be wrong.

- You tell me why cfm and airflow isn't relevant. Are compressor maps irrelevant too?

- I didn't say that, I did however mention efficient spool up.

- Again, I never said it effected compressor efficiency. Porting smooths cast flaws and improves airflow by enlarging ports. Porting also helps with boost spike and boost creep in relation to porting of the WG port of the exhaust housing (when running an internal gate).

- Full boost by 3200rpms, full bolt on, yet can hold 24psi. What's not efficient about it? Look, and I mean LOOK for times of maxed out B16G powered cars with FULL supporting mods (and no spray or alcohol injection). I guarantee they arent running 13's like you say they are.

Originally Posted by CoreyR

1. MAFT cars run like ----. and AFC's arent hard to tune with.

2. CFM's are irrelevant because a 16G is probably flowing 550 CFM @ 2 psi. yes thats right boost pressure and CFM are irrelevant to each other.

3. full boost by 3200? keep dreaming. he did have an E316G on his car at one point so he is speaking from experience. the car was pretty lame with a 16g on it. the 50 trim thats on it now is a different story.

Originally Posted by CoreyR

full boost by 3200? keep dreaming. he did have an E316G on his car at one point so he is speaking from experience. the car was pretty lame with a 16g on it. the 50 trim thats on it now is a different story.

Originally Posted by AWDstylez

- That's not bad

- So you mean you spiked 20psi and held 18psi, not the other way around

- MAF-T "tuning" is on par with an FMU and the sensor itself is horribly inaccurate. Not my cup of tea, but if it worked, it worked.

- No, it doesn't come with one. And the option is around $100-150

- CFM is not relevant, lbs/min is. This is where many 16g diciples are mislead.

- You didn't?
- You didn't?
- Peak efficiency on a B16G is 71%. Where most people are operating them is in the <65% range. That's MISERABLE for any turbo. It's a shitty turbo, plain and simple. The small and Evo are good turbos for <300hp though. I was also exaggerating with the 13's, although many people around here are stuck with that.

Proof that 16g's suck ass: http://www.redtube.com/2393
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Originally Posted by AWDstylez

I now see 26psi at 3,600rpm with massive exhaust leaks on the T04E with a stage 3 and .63 a/r hot side.

Originally Posted by baldur

The 16G is a decent turbo for 300bhp. That is the power level it's designed to run efficiently, and does quite well in the group N rally cars with a 34mm restrictor. If you want more power then there are some more efficient choices available.