I hate christians.
07-09-2007, 03:09 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
Originally Posted by blade8r
you obviouisly didn't read the link. btw chris i agree with you.
edit: also i wasn't making an arguement. i was just giving a basic overview of the link i posted earlier regarding Genesis.
also if you want to stay not open minded about things that are anti-bible then by all means stay ignorantly blissfull and god bless.
edit: also i wasn't making an arguement. i was just giving a basic overview of the link i posted earlier regarding Genesis.
also if you want to stay not open minded about things that are anti-bible then by all means stay ignorantly blissfull and god bless.
Well like I said I skimmed it and your link sucks then. I am open minded, but it's laughable at best.
Cliff Notes: People wanted to reach heaven by building a stairway to it persay. God confused their languages so they could not communicate with one another because there is strength in numbers. Does this mean they could have done it? Ha, not a chance, but it's the prinicple so God wouldn't allow it hence where we get the word 'babel' when we don't understand someone. "No gets to the Father except through me...", they weren't going about it the right way.
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07-09-2007, 03:19 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
amkrew,
Another topic I would like to hit upon is the idea of Predestination. This regardless of what Christian faith states is still true to this day has it was since Christianity began. The book of revelations is the best example of this. If the acts of the book most occur all of our acts etc are already set in stone and we have no control nor choice in the matter. Yet the jewish faith has free will. Christians believe in free will yet literally take every word from a part of the Christian Bible has truth to the purest form that is based upon the future. That would be the believe in predestination. Has anyone knows an act of any man will impact his society or family regardless of their class/role in this world. Free will is not able to predict the future has the future is unknown in the idea of free will. Free will is what we were given I highly doubt God decide to create a world and already have it set out like a movie. If a Christian believes in free will they will not believe in the end times has they have been written.
Now so predestination states that it is god that guides us not ourselves has we lack the ability to do so. That our lives even before birth are already set to be what they will become. So 6 million jews were murdered/raped and thrown away because in God's eyes this had to occur for the end times to begin. Im sorry if God controls all Im sure he didnt want his people to almost be eliminated from the face of the earth. If any Christian believes that the holocaust had to happen they are sick and twisted and advice them to become more educated on the topic. Not only were millions of jews but anyone who believed in an idea of free will were destroyed including millions of Christians. Hitler believed in predestined ideas that a Jew was worth no more than slave labor. That he was to guide the race/society he wanted to create to have a perfect world in his view. That we have no choice in this matter,sound familiar
Christianity was built on the same format. That a jew was damned at birth. That they are of lesser being has were people from lower classes etc. The fabric or foundation of a place of higher learning is built upon its creation. What we have is free will and the future of man kind is purely in the hands of man. The fabric of Christianity was built on that we have no control, that the world and ourselves regardless of all acts will never be FREE.
Another topic I would like to hit upon is the idea of Predestination. This regardless of what Christian faith states is still true to this day has it was since Christianity began. The book of revelations is the best example of this. If the acts of the book most occur all of our acts etc are already set in stone and we have no control nor choice in the matter. Yet the jewish faith has free will. Christians believe in free will yet literally take every word from a part of the Christian Bible has truth to the purest form that is based upon the future. That would be the believe in predestination. Has anyone knows an act of any man will impact his society or family regardless of their class/role in this world. Free will is not able to predict the future has the future is unknown in the idea of free will. Free will is what we were given I highly doubt God decide to create a world and already have it set out like a movie. If a Christian believes in free will they will not believe in the end times has they have been written.
Now so predestination states that it is god that guides us not ourselves has we lack the ability to do so. That our lives even before birth are already set to be what they will become. So 6 million jews were murdered/raped and thrown away because in God's eyes this had to occur for the end times to begin. Im sorry if God controls all Im sure he didnt want his people to almost be eliminated from the face of the earth. If any Christian believes that the holocaust had to happen they are sick and twisted and advice them to become more educated on the topic. Not only were millions of jews but anyone who believed in an idea of free will were destroyed including millions of Christians. Hitler believed in predestined ideas that a Jew was worth no more than slave labor. That he was to guide the race/society he wanted to create to have a perfect world in his view. That we have no choice in this matter,sound familiar
Christianity was built on the same format. That a jew was damned at birth. That they are of lesser being has were people from lower classes etc. The fabric or foundation of a place of higher learning is built upon its creation. What we have is free will and the future of man kind is purely in the hands of man. The fabric of Christianity was built on that we have no control, that the world and ourselves regardless of all acts will never be FREE.
07-09-2007, 04:24 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
I think you may have misunderstood what I tried to relay. Simply put, Free will is clearly given to man. From the very begining of creation, man was given the choice to follow God's instruction, or to disobey(sin). We ALL have the choice to refuse God, even. And Chris, comparing Hitler and Christianity? Come now, that hurts my feelers.
As far as your correlation of God's omnipotence to predestination, There's a very large difference between the two. Let's take the sunrise for example. I know the sun will rise tomorrow. Does that mean I cause the sun to rise? It certainly doesn't. It's the same way with God. He knows where we will all end up, and so, can bring choices into our path to try to bring us closer to Him. But those choices are just that, choices, not orders.
Those in the holocaust died horrible deaths. Hitler was sadistic. But many people die horrible deaths every day. Does the act of dying a horrible death send you on your way to heaven any better? Not according to the Bible. It's how we live.
God's chosen people, the Israelites, were asked of God to do many things. Some of them, they did, some of them, they didn't. They were punished VERY hashly from God himself MANY times for their disobedience. But they were still God's chosen people. At other times, God tested the Israelites, and sometimes as a result of the testing, people would die. According to the bible, death is not the end, but the beginning of an eternal life/death, depending on how you followed His instruction. Those in the Old Testament that followed God's instruction, Law of Moses, among other instruction, made it to a peaceful place (not heaven). Those who didn't, went to the place of torment (not the hell that is portrayed almost everywhere). Heaven and hell are yet to be made, according to the book of Revelation.
But still, there was no real way back to God. This is where Jesus comes in. God got fed up with all the half-hearted offerings that His followers were giving, and Jesus was to be the Holy sacrafice.
Believe me, I mean not to offend anyone. I try to only state fact from the Bible.
BTW:
Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Anglo-French, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
2 a : a theological theory or system <Thomist theology> <a theology of atonement> b : a distinctive body of theological opinion <Catholic theology>
3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary
Okay. Theology. I study the Bible. Which is an account of God and His creation. I can see how Theology would relate.
As far as your correlation of God's omnipotence to predestination, There's a very large difference between the two. Let's take the sunrise for example. I know the sun will rise tomorrow. Does that mean I cause the sun to rise? It certainly doesn't. It's the same way with God. He knows where we will all end up, and so, can bring choices into our path to try to bring us closer to Him. But those choices are just that, choices, not orders.
Those in the holocaust died horrible deaths. Hitler was sadistic. But many people die horrible deaths every day. Does the act of dying a horrible death send you on your way to heaven any better? Not according to the Bible. It's how we live.
God's chosen people, the Israelites, were asked of God to do many things. Some of them, they did, some of them, they didn't. They were punished VERY hashly from God himself MANY times for their disobedience. But they were still God's chosen people. At other times, God tested the Israelites, and sometimes as a result of the testing, people would die. According to the bible, death is not the end, but the beginning of an eternal life/death, depending on how you followed His instruction. Those in the Old Testament that followed God's instruction, Law of Moses, among other instruction, made it to a peaceful place (not heaven). Those who didn't, went to the place of torment (not the hell that is portrayed almost everywhere). Heaven and hell are yet to be made, according to the book of Revelation.
But still, there was no real way back to God. This is where Jesus comes in. God got fed up with all the half-hearted offerings that His followers were giving, and Jesus was to be the Holy sacrafice.
Believe me, I mean not to offend anyone. I try to only state fact from the Bible.
BTW:
Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Anglo-French, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
2 a : a theological theory or system <Thomist theology> <a theology of atonement> b : a distinctive body of theological opinion <Catholic theology>
3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary
Okay. Theology. I study the Bible. Which is an account of God and His creation. I can see how Theology would relate.
07-09-2007, 05:00 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
This is where Christianity is confused in my opinion. The idea that jewish people are lost and confused. The are nothing but more bonded than any other religion. Do you see jews killing other jews,simple answer no. This is true in both in Islam and Christians. They have been killing each since their religion began. Why?
Because the teachings are one of confusion of love and hate
Christs teachings started the Crusades again imposing love of jesus but if you dont accept him you can leave or be murdered?
This is the basis of Christians. To impose and if those do not believe they are meant to suffer. I will always remember when a young islamic couple died in a car accident in Ridgecrest and I was at a friends home has we discussed the topic. The grandfather stated its to bad they will be damned forever due to heir faith. Might has well spit on their graves
I was sickened by such ignorance and hate. Who is this person to judge? Christ in my view was a a peace loving kind of guy. Majority of his followers are hateful and untrustworthy. Many are very good people who I consider good friends like yourself but for my buck Ill stay on my path.
Originally Posted by AMkrew
I think you may have misunderstood what I tried to relay. Simply put, Free will is clearly given to man. From the very begining of creation, man was given the choice to follow God's instruction, or to disobey(sin). We ALL have the choice to refuse God, even. And Chris, comparing Hitler and Christianity? Come now, that hurts my feelers.
As far as your correlation of God's omnipotence to predestination, There's a very large difference between the two. Let's take the sunrise for example. I know the sun will rise tomorrow. Does that mean I cause the sun to rise? It certainly doesn't. It's the same way with God. He knows where we will all end up, and so, can bring choices into our path to try to bring us closer to Him. But those choices are just that, choices, not orders.
Those in the holocaust died horrible deaths. Hitler was sadistic. But many people die horrible deaths every day. Does the act of dying a horrible death send you on your way to heaven any better? Not according to the Bible. It's how we live.
God's chosen people, the Israelites, were asked of God to do many things. Some of them, they did, some of them, they didn't. They were punished VERY hashly from God himself MANY times for their disobedience. But they were still God's chosen people. At other times, God tested the Israelites, and sometimes as a result of the testing, people would die. According to the bible, death is not the end, but the beginning of an eternal life/death, depending on how you followed His instruction. Those in the Old Testament that followed God's instruction, Law of Moses, among other instruction, made it to a peaceful place (not heaven). Those who didn't, went to the place of torment (not the hell that is portrayed almost everywhere). Heaven and hell are yet to be made, according to the book of Revelation.
But still, there was no real way back to God. This is where Jesus comes in. God got fed up with all the half-hearted offerings that His followers were giving, and Jesus was to be the Holy sacrafice.
Believe me, I mean not to offend anyone. I try to only state fact from the Bible.
BTW:
Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Anglo-French, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
2 a : a theological theory or system <Thomist theology> <a theology of atonement> b : a distinctive body of theological opinion <Catholic theology>
3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary
Okay. Theology. I study the Bible. Which is an account of God and His creation. I can see how Theology would relate.
As far as your correlation of God's omnipotence to predestination, There's a very large difference between the two. Let's take the sunrise for example. I know the sun will rise tomorrow. Does that mean I cause the sun to rise? It certainly doesn't. It's the same way with God. He knows where we will all end up, and so, can bring choices into our path to try to bring us closer to Him. But those choices are just that, choices, not orders.
Those in the holocaust died horrible deaths. Hitler was sadistic. But many people die horrible deaths every day. Does the act of dying a horrible death send you on your way to heaven any better? Not according to the Bible. It's how we live.
God's chosen people, the Israelites, were asked of God to do many things. Some of them, they did, some of them, they didn't. They were punished VERY hashly from God himself MANY times for their disobedience. But they were still God's chosen people. At other times, God tested the Israelites, and sometimes as a result of the testing, people would die. According to the bible, death is not the end, but the beginning of an eternal life/death, depending on how you followed His instruction. Those in the Old Testament that followed God's instruction, Law of Moses, among other instruction, made it to a peaceful place (not heaven). Those who didn't, went to the place of torment (not the hell that is portrayed almost everywhere). Heaven and hell are yet to be made, according to the book of Revelation.
But still, there was no real way back to God. This is where Jesus comes in. God got fed up with all the half-hearted offerings that His followers were giving, and Jesus was to be the Holy sacrafice.
Believe me, I mean not to offend anyone. I try to only state fact from the Bible.
BTW:
Main Entry: the·ol·o·gy
Pronunciation: thE-'ä-l&-jE
Function: noun
Inflected Form(s): plural -gies
Etymology: Middle English theologie, from Anglo-French, from Latin theologia, from Greek, from the- + -logia -logy
1 : the study of religious faith, practice, and experience; especially : the study of God and of God's relation to the world
2 a : a theological theory or system <Thomist theology> <a theology of atonement> b : a distinctive body of theological opinion <Catholic theology>
3 : a usually 4-year course of specialized religious training in a Roman Catholic major seminary
Okay. Theology. I study the Bible. Which is an account of God and His creation. I can see how Theology would relate.
07-09-2007, 05:22 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
Originally Posted by doug684
I found it to be a little lackluster.
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07-09-2007, 05:44 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
Originally Posted by chris
This is where Christianity is confused in my opinion. The idea that jewish people are lost and confused. The are nothing but more bonded than any other religion. Do you see jews killing other jews,simple answer no. This is true in both in Islam and Christians. They have been killing each since their religion began. Why?
Because the teachings are one of confusion of love and hate
Christs teachings started the Crusades again imposing love of jesus but if you dont accept him you can leave or be murdered?
This is the basis of Christians. To impose and if those do not believe they are meant to suffer. I will always remember when a young islamic couple died in a car accident in Ridgecrest and I was at a friends home has we discussed the topic. The grandfather stated its to bad they will be damned forever due to heir faith. Might has well spit on their graves
I was sickened by such ignorance and hate. Who is this person to judge? Christ in my view was a a peace loving kind of guy. Majority of his followers are hateful and untrustworthy. Many are very good people who I consider good friends like yourself but for my buck Ill stay on my path.
Isreal vs. Palestine
I'm on a role...
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07-09-2007, 05:53 PM
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Re: I hate christians.
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Where are those located? Never heard of them over here in hick country, AZ.
