Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
05-05-2006, 01:40 AM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Originally Posted by rawr
I pay 7 for a university with professors who get paid 90k a year and a campus thats better maintained, way larger, and allot nicer than any public school ive ever seen.
you see rawr, when with private schools, YOU have the choice, not the government forcing you. if the school is giving a shitty prodcut, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE LOL
noot everyone shops at walmart, and if you want better ---- than walmart gives? go to a high class store. you see, you have the choice.
you are proving my point.
05-05-2006, 01:45 AM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Originally Posted by random-strike
prove our point why dont you.
you see rawr, when with private schools, YOU have the choice, not the government forcing you. if the school is giving a shitty prodcut, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE LOL
noot everyone shops at walmart, and if you want better ---- than walmart gives? go to a high class store. you see, you have the choice.
you are proving my point.
you see rawr, when with private schools, YOU have the choice, not the government forcing you. if the school is giving a shitty prodcut, GO SOMEWHERE ELSE LOL
noot everyone shops at walmart, and if you want better ---- than walmart gives? go to a high class store. you see, you have the choice.
you are proving my point.
05-05-2006, 01:51 AM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Budget
Estimated direct costs for full-time, first-year students
Resident students
Tuition (two terms, August-May) $23,000
University fee (student activities) $970
Residence hall (double room) $4,300
Any 12 Meal Plan $2,890
Computer (value notebook) $1,099
Budget for school year (two terms) $32,259
Variable costs not included: additional meals (Flyer Express), transportation, personal expenses, books and supplies, fees (counseling center, orientation, lab and special course fees where applicable*)
Estimated direct costs for full-time, first-year students
Resident students
Tuition (two terms, August-May) $23,000
University fee (student activities) $970
Residence hall (double room) $4,300
Any 12 Meal Plan $2,890
Computer (value notebook) $1,099
Budget for school year (two terms) $32,259
Variable costs not included: additional meals (Flyer Express), transportation, personal expenses, books and supplies, fees (counseling center, orientation, lab and special course fees where applicable*)
2005–2006 Academic Year
(Two semesters for first-year students)
Tuition and Fees $21,587
Ohio Resident/Ohio Leader Scholarships -$10,902*
Net Tuition and Fees for Ohio Residents $10,685**
Room and Board (based on double occupancy/21-meal plan) $7,610
Total for Ohio Residents $18,295
Total for Non-Ohio Residents
(includes $20 out-of-state surcharge) $29,217
(Two semesters for first-year students)
Tuition and Fees $21,587
Ohio Resident/Ohio Leader Scholarships -$10,902*
Net Tuition and Fees for Ohio Residents $10,685**
Room and Board (based on double occupancy/21-meal plan) $7,610
Total for Ohio Residents $18,295
Total for Non-Ohio Residents
(includes $20 out-of-state surcharge) $29,217
Student is living On-Campus
Tuition
$26,492
Fees
$720
Room & Board
$7,004
* Books/Supplies
$3,500
TOTAL
$37,716
Tuition
$26,492
Fees
$720
Room & Board
$7,004
* Books/Supplies
$3,500
TOTAL
$37,716
Tuition (12-18 hours) $2,288.00 $6,864.00
Room, meals, activity and technology fee * 2,250.50 6,751.50
Books and Supplies ** 300.00 900.00
TOTAL $4,838.50 $14,515.50
Room, meals, activity and technology fee * 2,250.50 6,751.50
Books and Supplies ** 300.00 900.00
TOTAL $4,838.50 $14,515.50
05-05-2006, 12:07 PM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Originally Posted by Stealthmode
Originally Posted by shadetree
Pure capitalism is brutal. Our country has been there.... late 1800's , early 1900s. beginning of industrialization.
Our system is capitalism tempered with socialist programs.
Public schools are are socialist program
The Interstate highway system is a socialist program
Child labor laws are a socialist program
40 hour workweek, workers' comp are socialist programs.
Our Power Plants, like the Grand Coulee Dam are socialist programs
Water reservoirs are socialist programs
Our system is capitalism tempered with socialist programs.
Public schools are are socialist program
The Interstate highway system is a socialist program
Child labor laws are a socialist program
40 hour workweek, workers' comp are socialist programs.
Our Power Plants, like the Grand Coulee Dam are socialist programs
Water reservoirs are socialist programs
The railroads can be compared to current day highways. Early railroad development was all privately funded, for profit. Free market competion at it's finest. The RRs were in a race to built from the east to the west. Lots of raillines, would get built halfway, then fold. The towns that were built along the lines were fucked. Eventually, the dominant players squeezed out the smaller ones. Once the lines were consolidated, shipping prices went way up, to the point of crippling the farming industry in the west. Grain and produce rotted in silos, because shipping was more expensive than the product. Meanwhile, on the east coast, the cities suffered food shortage and famine. The big bad Gov't had to step in and enforce pinko socalist reforms.
I'll give an example that you might remember, cuz I know how the whole book learning thing isn't your bag. Power plants. Remember energy deregulation? Enron? Yeah, the freemarket was supposed to give us choice, better service, and better prices than what gov't could provide. Instead we got rolling blackouts, and jacked up prices.....which ended up driving a ---- load of family wage jobs out of the NW and into Argentina. Yeah, that worked reaaaaal well.
My opinion is based on history, not just a gut feeling.
05-05-2006, 01:43 PM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Originally Posted by shadetree
I'll give an example that you might remember, cuz I know how the whole book learning thing isn't your bag. Power plants. Remember energy deregulation? Enron? Yeah, the freemarket was supposed to give us choice, better service, and better prices than what gov't could provide. Instead we got rolling blackouts, and jacked up prices.....which ended up driving a ---- load of family wage jobs out of the NW and into Argentina. Yeah, that worked reaaaaal well.
just like gasoline, they complain about prices, but block all production
05-05-2006, 02:13 PM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Yeah, keep maikng ---- up, like that $3500 tuition number pulled out of your ***. You are doing a bang up job of discrediting yourself.
The rolling blackouts were not because our existing power plants couldn't produce. Enron would find ways to shut down plants temporily to decrease supply to inflate prices. Once prices went up, they'd start producing again. You know, free market, supply and demand.
I don't think you want to get started with the dem vs. rep blame game on the Enron/power deregulation issue. Who was the #1 campaign contributor for Bush 2000....Oh yeah Enron. Who did Bush appoint to head the National Energy commission....oh yeah, Ken Lay, head of Enron.
The rolling blackouts were not because our existing power plants couldn't produce. Enron would find ways to shut down plants temporily to decrease supply to inflate prices. Once prices went up, they'd start producing again. You know, free market, supply and demand.
I don't think you want to get started with the dem vs. rep blame game on the Enron/power deregulation issue. Who was the #1 campaign contributor for Bush 2000....Oh yeah Enron. Who did Bush appoint to head the National Energy commission....oh yeah, Ken Lay, head of Enron.
05-05-2006, 02:20 PM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Originally Posted by shadetree
The rolling blackouts were not because our existing power plants couldn't produce. Enron would find ways to shut down plants temporily to decrease supply to inflate prices. Once prices went up, they'd start producing again. You know, free market, supply and demand.
did anyone know there was anything wrong with enron at the time? no...?
Tuition at private elementary and secondary schools is less than the cost per pupil at public schools, according to figures from the U.S. Department of Education. A survey of private elementary and high schools nationwide found:
The average annual private elementary school tuition nationwide is less than $2,500.
With secondary schools included, the average tuition is $3,116.
Some 67 percent, or more than 17,000, of all private elementary and secondary schools charge $2,500 or less, and 19 percent charge less than $1,000.
Average public school spending per pupil nationwide is $6,857.
To determine the availability of lower-cost tuitions in cities of various sizes and in different regions, researchers surveyed all private schools in Indianapolis, San Francisco, Jersey City, N.J., and Atlanta and compared their tuition charges with public school costs.
Average spending per pupil in Indianapolis public schools was $4,678, while the median (middle) private elementary tuition was $2,180 and secondary tuition was $1,850.
In San Francisco public schools, the average was $4,489, while the median elementary tuition was $2,225 and secondary tuition was $7,200 -- although seven private high schools charged less than the public school average.
In Jersey City, the public school average was $8,315, and the median for private elementaries was $1,775 and for high schools $3,210.
Public school districts in Atlanta spent $5,769 per pupil, while the median at private elementaries was $3,312 and at secondary schools was $5,600.
The average annual private elementary school tuition nationwide is less than $2,500.
With secondary schools included, the average tuition is $3,116.
Some 67 percent, or more than 17,000, of all private elementary and secondary schools charge $2,500 or less, and 19 percent charge less than $1,000.
Average public school spending per pupil nationwide is $6,857.
To determine the availability of lower-cost tuitions in cities of various sizes and in different regions, researchers surveyed all private schools in Indianapolis, San Francisco, Jersey City, N.J., and Atlanta and compared their tuition charges with public school costs.
Average spending per pupil in Indianapolis public schools was $4,678, while the median (middle) private elementary tuition was $2,180 and secondary tuition was $1,850.
In San Francisco public schools, the average was $4,489, while the median elementary tuition was $2,225 and secondary tuition was $7,200 -- although seven private high schools charged less than the public school average.
In Jersey City, the public school average was $8,315, and the median for private elementaries was $1,775 and for high schools $3,210.
Public school districts in Atlanta spent $5,769 per pupil, while the median at private elementaries was $3,312 and at secondary schools was $5,600.
05-05-2006, 02:21 PM
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Re: Colbert rips bush at BIG dinner
Arizona Private Schools Half as Expensive as Public Schools
Written By: Vicki Murray
Published In: School Reform News
Publication Date: March 1, 2005
Publisher: The Heartland Institute
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A new survey of Arizona private schools has found average private elementary and middle school tuition in the state is $3,700, less than half the average per-pupil public school expenditure of $7,800, according to fiscal year 2001-02 Arizona Department of Education data. Average private high school tuition in the state is $5,500.
The results from the Goldwater Institute’s “Survey of Arizona Private Schools: Tuition, Testing, and Curricula,” written by Vicki Murray (author of this article) and Ross Groen and released on January 5, square with data from the National Center for Education Statistics, which show private schools on average across the country are half as expensive as public schools, a pattern that has been apparent for 15 years.
The studies’ conclusions contradict the common perception that public schools are “free” and private schools are for the rich.
Written By: Vicki Murray
Published In: School Reform News
Publication Date: March 1, 2005
Publisher: The Heartland Institute
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A new survey of Arizona private schools has found average private elementary and middle school tuition in the state is $3,700, less than half the average per-pupil public school expenditure of $7,800, according to fiscal year 2001-02 Arizona Department of Education data. Average private high school tuition in the state is $5,500.
The results from the Goldwater Institute’s “Survey of Arizona Private Schools: Tuition, Testing, and Curricula,” written by Vicki Murray (author of this article) and Ross Groen and released on January 5, square with data from the National Center for Education Statistics, which show private schools on average across the country are half as expensive as public schools, a pattern that has been apparent for 15 years.
The studies’ conclusions contradict the common perception that public schools are “free” and private schools are for the rich.
