Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
07-29-2007, 07:49 PM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
Hmmm.....well it was probably just in his head. I know I've damn near passed out after watching people get blood drawn and had the same reaction after getting a flu shot. Needles make me weird just like pills/meds make him weird. 
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07-29-2007, 07:57 PM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
Originally Posted by Dr.Boost
Hmmm.....well it was probably just in his head. I know I've damn near passed out after watching people get blood drawn and had the same reaction after getting a flu shot. Needles make me weird just like pills/meds make him weird.
no way.I get the same way like reading about diseases and wierd ---- that can happen to your body. Like all squeemish, horrible.
07-29-2007, 08:04 PM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
Originally Posted by wafflesincars
OMG I have the same phobia. I get extremely anxious around hypodermic needles. I mean I can handle them myself just fine, but like doctors and shots.... no way.
I get the same way like reading about diseases and wierd ---- that can happen to your body. Like all squeemish, horrible.
no way.I get the same way like reading about diseases and wierd ---- that can happen to your body. Like all squeemish, horrible.
....that ---- makes me ill. I can't watch anything to do with needles. Even thinking about getting blood drawn or having an IV....OMG I dread the day I wake up in the hospital with an IV. I don't know what I would do, but the thing is coming out ASAP. 
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07-30-2007, 01:34 AM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
OH Damn for D16ForLIfe!!:
Foods to Avoid ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES - avoid Chianti wine and vermouth. Consumption of red, white, and port WINE in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). BEER and ALE should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities (1/2 cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 198
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but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe. WHISKEY and LIQUEURS such as Drambuie(R) and Chartreuse(R) have caused reactions. NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES (alcohol- free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).
BANANA PEELS - a single case report implicates a BANANA as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 mcg/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 mcg/gram and 700 mcg of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).
BEAN CURD - fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
BROAD (FAVA) BEAN PODS - these beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 198.
CHEESE - tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided. CREAM CHEESE and COTTAGE CHEESE have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 198.
FISH - fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum- packed pickled fish or CAVIAR contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989). Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 198.
GINSENG - some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).
PROTEIN EXTRACTS - three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 mcg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986). Avoid liquid and powdered PROTEIN DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS (Anon, 1989).
MEAT, nonfresh or liver - no detectable levels identified in fresh chicken livers; high tyramine content found in spoiled or unfresh livers (McCabe, 1986). Fresh meat is safe, caution suggested in restaurants (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 198.
SAUSAGE, BOLOGNA, PEPPERONI and SALAMI contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country CURED HAM (McCabe, 1986).
SAUERKRAUT - tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 mcg/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
SHRIMP PASTE - contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
SOUPS - should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).
YEAST, Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are ------ on bread or mixed with water, Brewer's yeast, or yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed. Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
The foods to use with caution list categorizes foods that have been reported to cause a hypertensive crisis if foods were consumed in large quantities, stored for prolong periods, or if contamination occurred. Small servings (1/2 cup, or less than 120 mL) of the following foods are not expected to pose a risk for patients on MAOI therapy (McCabe, 1986).
FOODS TO USE WITH CAUTION
(1/2 cup or less than 120 mL)
Alcoholic beverages - see under foods to avoid.
AVOCADOS - contain tyramine, particularly overripe (Anon, 1989) but may be used in small amounts if not overripened (McCabe, 1986).
CAFFEINE - contains a weak pressor agent, large amounts may cause a reaction (Anon, 1989).
CHOCOLATE - is safe to ingest for most patients, unless consumed in large amounts (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
DAIRY PRODUCTS - CREAM, SOUR CREAM, cottage cheese, cream cheese, YOGURT, or MILK should pose little risk unless prolonged storage or lack of sanitation standards exists (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986). Products should not be used if close to the expiration date (McCabe, 1986).
NUTS - large quantities of PEANUTS were implicated in a hypertensive reaction and headache. COCONUTS and BRAZIL NUTS have also been implicated, however no analysis of the tyramine content was performed (McCabe, 1986).
RASPBERRIES - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986).
SOY SAUCE - has been reported to contain large amounts of tyramine and reactions have been reported with teriyaki (Anon, 1989), however analysis of soy sauce reveals a tyramine level of 1.76 mcg/mL and fermented meat may have contributed to the previously reported reactions (McCabe, 1986).
SPINACH, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
More than 200 foods contain tyramine in small quantities and have been implicated in reactions with MAOI therapy, however the majority of the previous reactions were due to the consumption of spoiled food. Evidence does not support the restriction of the following foods listed if the food is fresh (McCabe, 1986).
Didnt you say you were already on anti-depressants? PROTEIN EXTRACTS - three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 mcg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986). Avoid liquid and powdered PROTEIN DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS (Anon, 1989)
That could be why you felt sick.
Foods to Avoid ALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES - avoid Chianti wine and vermouth. Consumption of red, white, and port WINE in quantities less than 120 mL present little risk (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). BEER and ALE should also be avoided (McCabe, 1986), however other investigators feel major domestic (US) brands of beer is safe in small quantities (1/2 cup or less than 120 mL) (Anon, 1989; Da Prada, 198
,but imported beer should not be consumed unless a specific brand is known to be safe. WHISKEY and LIQUEURS such as Drambuie(R) and Chartreuse(R) have caused reactions. NONALCOHOLIC BEVERAGES (alcohol- free beer and wines) may contain tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Stockley, 1993).
BANANA PEELS - a single case report implicates a BANANA as the causative agent, which involved the consumption of whole stewed green banana, including the peel. Ripe banana pulp contains 7 mcg/gram of tyramine compared to a peel which contains 65 mcg/gram and 700 mcg of tyramine and dopamine, respectively (McCabe, 1986).
BEAN CURD - fermented bean curd, fermented soya bean, soya bean pastes contain a significant amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
BROAD (FAVA) BEAN PODS - these beans contain dopa, not tyramine, which is metabolized to dopamine and may cause a pressor reaction and therefore should not be eaten particularly if overripe (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 198
.CHEESE - tyramine content cannot be predicted based on appearance, flavor, or variety and therefore should be avoided. CREAM CHEESE and COTTAGE CHEESE have no detectable level of tyramine (McCabe, 1986; Anon, 1989, Brown & Bryant, 198
.FISH - fresh fish (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986) and vacuum- packed pickled fish or CAVIAR contain only small amounts of tyramine and are safe if consumed promptly or refrigerated for short periods; longer storage may be dangerous (Anon, 1989). Smoked, fermented, pickled (Herring) and otherwise aged fish, meat, or any spoiled food may contain high levels of tyramine and should be avoided (Anon, 1989; Brown & Bryant, 198
.GINSENG - some preparations have resulted in a headache, tremulousness, and manic-like symptoms (Anon, 1989).
PROTEIN EXTRACTS - three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 mcg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986). Avoid liquid and powdered PROTEIN DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS (Anon, 1989).
MEAT, nonfresh or liver - no detectable levels identified in fresh chicken livers; high tyramine content found in spoiled or unfresh livers (McCabe, 1986). Fresh meat is safe, caution suggested in restaurants (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 198
.SAUSAGE, BOLOGNA, PEPPERONI and SALAMI contain large amounts of tyramine (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986). No detectable tyramine levels were identified in country CURED HAM (McCabe, 1986).
SAUERKRAUT - tyramine content has varied from 20 to 95 mcg/gram and should be avoided (McCabe, 1986).
SHRIMP PASTE - contain a large amount of tyramine (Anon, 1989).
SOUPS - should be avoided as protein extracts may be present; miso soup is prepared from fermented bean curd and contain tyramine in large amounts and should not be consumed (Anon, 1989).
YEAST, Brewer's or extracts - yeast extracts (Marmite) which are ------ on bread or mixed with water, Brewer's yeast, or yeast vitamin supplements should not be consumed. Yeast used in baking is safe (Anon, 1989; Da Prada et al, 1988; McCabe, 1986).
The foods to use with caution list categorizes foods that have been reported to cause a hypertensive crisis if foods were consumed in large quantities, stored for prolong periods, or if contamination occurred. Small servings (1/2 cup, or less than 120 mL) of the following foods are not expected to pose a risk for patients on MAOI therapy (McCabe, 1986).
FOODS TO USE WITH CAUTION
(1/2 cup or less than 120 mL)
Alcoholic beverages - see under foods to avoid.
AVOCADOS - contain tyramine, particularly overripe (Anon, 1989) but may be used in small amounts if not overripened (McCabe, 1986).
CAFFEINE - contains a weak pressor agent, large amounts may cause a reaction (Anon, 1989).
CHOCOLATE - is safe to ingest for most patients, unless consumed in large amounts (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
DAIRY PRODUCTS - CREAM, SOUR CREAM, cottage cheese, cream cheese, YOGURT, or MILK should pose little risk unless prolonged storage or lack of sanitation standards exists (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986). Products should not be used if close to the expiration date (McCabe, 1986).
NUTS - large quantities of PEANUTS were implicated in a hypertensive reaction and headache. COCONUTS and BRAZIL NUTS have also been implicated, however no analysis of the tyramine content was performed (McCabe, 1986).
RASPBERRIES - contain tyramine and small amounts are expected to be safe (McCabe, 1986).
SOY SAUCE - has been reported to contain large amounts of tyramine and reactions have been reported with teriyaki (Anon, 1989), however analysis of soy sauce reveals a tyramine level of 1.76 mcg/mL and fermented meat may have contributed to the previously reported reactions (McCabe, 1986).
SPINACH, New Zealand prickly or hot weather - large amounts have resulted in a reaction (Anon, 1989; McCabe, 1986).
More than 200 foods contain tyramine in small quantities and have been implicated in reactions with MAOI therapy, however the majority of the previous reactions were due to the consumption of spoiled food. Evidence does not support the restriction of the following foods listed if the food is fresh (McCabe, 1986).
Didnt you say you were already on anti-depressants? PROTEIN EXTRACTS - three brands of meat extract contained 95, 206, and 304 mcg/gram of tyramine and therefore meat extracts should be avoided (McCabe, 1986). Avoid liquid and powdered PROTEIN DIETARY SUPPLEMENTS (Anon, 1989)
That could be why you felt sick.
07-30-2007, 02:57 AM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
Originally Posted by d16forlife
Took some 5thp. Made my stomach burn so I threw it up. Not for me I gess. Back on .25 of Zanax twice a day. Life is good 
this isnt really reasonable evidence, could have been anything you ate,
zanax twice a day? wow
zanax is good, but shouldn't be taken everyday, its mainly for panic attacks that occur occasionally, taking it everyday... personally i just wouldn't. if you are going to be taking something everyday i suggest lithium.
stay away from anti-depressants if you can, its like going down the path of a true drug addict in a sense, you need it everday, and eventually your body readjusts itself to the higher levels of seratonin and you become depressed again, im not saying they dont work, but the FDA release a report stating that anti-depressants havent work as well as they orignally thought.
i believe in occasional psychoactive drug use to change ones feelings, MDMA and pscylosibin (sp) is a semi permanent mood lift. lsd is great, but it can also leave some intense thoughts (not a bad thing, nor a good thing)
and being active really, really helps.
07-30-2007, 02:50 PM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
Had some Tilapia and rice for dinner that day. Waited nearly two hours and popped the 5THP. I dont really think it was the pill that fucked me up though. Ever since the Lexapro fucked me up I have a phobia about taking meds, with the exception of Xanax for some reason.
If I take a pill I start to freak out and think that I'm going to feel all the side affects(what ever, or how ever small they may be). I dwell on that and my mind takes over from there. I have allways been able to puke on command so it doesnt take much for me chuch something up.
My problem is that I dwell on things. I used to count my heart beats at nite mostly because I was waiting for it to stop. Yeah, I also have OCD. If something gets in my head I cant let it go no matter what I'm doing(I.E medication bad, must go puke). Xanax helps me with that though. Unless I miss a dose. Like this morning, I had two panic attacks driving to work.
I just read about Xanax XR which is 24 hour extended release pill. That is the only thing I'm going to allow the Psyc. to prescride to me on Friday when I finally go see him. Anything else and I think I'll freak ....this ---- sucks
If I take a pill I start to freak out and think that I'm going to feel all the side affects(what ever, or how ever small they may be). I dwell on that and my mind takes over from there
. I have allways been able to puke on command so it doesnt take much for me chuch something up.My problem is that I dwell on things. I used to count my heart beats at nite mostly because I was waiting for it to stop. Yeah, I also have OCD. If something gets in my head I cant let it go no matter what I'm doing(I.E medication bad, must go puke). Xanax helps me with that though. Unless I miss a dose. Like this morning, I had two panic attacks driving to work.
I just read about Xanax XR which is 24 hour extended release pill. That is the only thing I'm going to allow the Psyc. to prescride to me on Friday when I finally go see him. Anything else and I think I'll freak
....this ---- sucks
07-30-2007, 05:05 PM
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Re: Any one else here who needs a padded room?(just venting!!)
lol, I think you need to realize you're not anymore fucked up than most people out there. Most of the ---- you describe I can relate to as well as many others. I think you're problem is you dwell on *thinking* you're all fucked up and that's what makes you bug out.
I don't think meds are the answer for you. I think you need to think things through and learn yourself some ---- about what's going on. Maybe all the years of thinking you had a serious illness have fucked with you enough to cause you some stress that's going to take a while to get over? I dunno, but I don't think meds are going to be the right thing for you. It sounds like the meds are going to ---- you up more than anything.
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I don't think meds are the answer for you. I think you need to think things through and learn yourself some ---- about what's going on. Maybe all the years of thinking you had a serious illness have fucked with you enough to cause you some stress that's going to take a while to get over? I dunno, but I don't think meds are going to be the right thing for you. It sounds like the meds are going to ---- you up more than anything.
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