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I don't understand what your problem is when it comes to water injection. Its just another way to prevent detonation. You taking it like its out to rape your mother. If you don't like water injection than don't use it but don't tell people how shitty it is when you never used it or have any experience with it. ::)

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stealth, you're missing the whole point, I'm not out to be an entire cheap ass in all ways possible, if I was I wouldn't have a car and I'd just bum rides off of everyone on my block, so then what the ---- do I need with a turbo? where did you get your turbo from stealth? it was a used piece of a junked car, you didn't go out and buy a fancy assed ball bearing one or something.

some people are just going to sit here and say water injection is dumb, and I'm the stupidest ------- moron in the world for even using it. there are also people that will sit here and tell you that there's no power to be had out of a piece of ---- honda and that they're only good for getting groceries. if everyone listens to the haters where would we be? everybody would be cruising around in some huge displacement v-8 rocking big cams. ignorance is bliss bitches, keep on smiling while I make more power for cheaper and avoid knocking at the same time.

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So many turbo kits have been put together on this site, and even the ghetto'ist doesn't use water injection. I guess I'm just still trying to figure out why you want to put water through your motor.



Either way, carry on. :P

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YOU HAVE NO IDEA WHAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STOP ARGUING BECUASE YOU REALLY LOOK LIKE AN IGNORANT MORON!!!!!


Alright, let me break this down for you... In a combustion reaction the byproduct is ALWAYS water. This means that there is already water in your motor. Did you ever notice the condensation comming out of your exhaust? If you inject a fine mist of water into your motor the endothermic reaction of the water changing from a liquid to a gas absorbs the heat. The mist also acts as a steam cleaner and cleans carbon off of valves. If you run water injection for a while and look at your intake ports and intake manifold they will be clean as hell. Mixing alchohol in with the water will also allow you to run higher boost and more timing on regular pump gas. Water injection is like anything else, if you know what your doing its not going to harm anything.


water injection is a great device and to say its no good becuase everyone on this site isn't running it is just ------- gay. Do some research at least before you argue about how terrible it is so you'll at least have a good argument for why its bad not just "Turbo kits usually don't have them so its a shitty device" ::)

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I never said that it "was bad", I said that it was a way of being cheap in another area. Kyle says he wants to use it because he doesn't want to buy an intercooler. Turbodxhutchback says its better than paying for race gas, so yes, this is an alternative to doing things the right way it seems.
I know for a fact that kyle will never run "high boost" on his motor, so it's not because he's gonna be going crazy with the boost. So now you have a guy adding water to his motor, running the same amount of boost that some other guy has with just an intercooler and good tuning. With the emphasis on getting your tuning just right, I can't see why anyone with the average HMT setup would want to throw another ingredient into the mix when it isn't needed. It seems to me that even though I've never wanted to run water injection, YOU would have to be the IGNORANT MORON for wanting to run something that isn't neccessary through your motor. It's not nitrous, it's water, and plenty of people have survived high boost without it. So why put yourself through the trouble of having to tune another ingredient of your air/fuel.

Yes, people run water/alcohol through there motors for cleaning, but the whole point of running water throgh your motor is still....Why????? ???
It still seems like the reasons you give for doing this all directly relate to you cutting corners somewhere else.

Intercooler + good tuning = Proven to work. Oh wait, your gonna run some crazy amount of boost higher than 15 right? ::)

You can run gatorade through your brake system for all I care, but I still haven't heard you give one good reason for doing this ----. :-\

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I've given you plenty of good reasons to run it. Look, I can tell your set in your ways and no matter what I say its not going to change your mind. Water injection is a good way to prevent detonation, run more timing, and run more boost. Its cheap and has been proven to work many times. I use to run 11psi stock timing non-intercooled with water injection and no detonation. All you keep saying is since not alot of people are running it, its dumb to even try it.


You saying running water through your motor is not necessary sounds like if I was to say running boost through a motor isn't necessary. Car can go fast without turbos so why complicate things with a stupid turbo kit?

All motor + high compression + tuning = proven to work

http://www.seattlersx.com/gallery/2/460/DSCN2574.jpg

We should all stop complicating life with these turbo kit ::)

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Whitey, yes, I'm stuck in my way of thinking. My thinking is "until someone can give me a reason why water injection should be used as a prevention of detonation instead of the regular intercooler/good tuning, no, I can't change.

If you are able to run more timing with all other equations the same (boost, tuning) with water injection, than that's cool. But I really don't think our average HMT kits would be able to call this a solution vs. just cranking another 1-2 psi out. Your talking about pulling that last .04 out of your E/T when your already running 8.03
I think your arguement for water/alcohol injection may be beneficial in an all out racing motor, but for the average HMT'er, I think it just gives them more questions.
You ran 11psi on stock timing non intercooled with water injection, but how much of a difference would you have seen if you used an intercooler with just the timing retard neccessary vs. setting up a water injection kit and tuning it?

The benefit vs. the headache is the equation that I'm getting at. It just doesn't equate to me. That's all.

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a good reason to run water/alcohol injection is that it will cool your charge MORESO than an intercooler.

an intercooler is an air/air heat exchanger. its performance is limited by the ambient air temps, and the efficiency of the design... which usually maxes out around 80% or so.

water injection, because it is using the heat of vaporization of water, can theoretically cool your charge to BELOW ambient air. here is a really quick way to test it.

open your mouth and breath in. notice how the air feels kind of cool? well, it feels cool because it IS cool. you just vaporized a small amount of water off of your tounge and cooled the air you breathed in by a few degrees.

adding alcohol to the mix helps bring the temps lower due to the fact that it is easier to vaporize. ever get rubbing alcohol on your hand? it feels pretty cool, right? well, its taking heat from your hand and getting vaporized. this alone will help reduce detonation. but, because alcohol burns somewhat slowly, it increases the octane of your mixture.

that was all FACTUAL information. from an engineers perspective (mine) there's no reason NOT to use it.

the only advantage that an intercooler has over water/alcohol injection is that an intercooler wont 'run out'. but so what? windsheild washer fluid costs a few dollars per gallon. that would most likely last for a week or two... if not more.

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Wow, an explanation of why it works. :o

It seems to make sense, but I wouldn't be ready to do something like this, but I understand now. I still suggest that Kyle not do it for his setup, though.

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there isn't anything "tricky" about water injection, its not like tuning for another 10psi... Its really simple, easy to use, and cheap...