baldur

Corky's book has nice pictures in it but his theories aren't as solid.

Reddy

Water injection is such a shitty device and harmful to your motor that they come standard on the EVO's and STI's...

baldur

And if low compression is so bad, why do EVOs and STis come with 8:1 compression standard

Reddy

Reliablilty. They can't be producing high compression with high boost motors and still have warranty when higher compression has less room for error and has a higher likelihood of something going wrong and a warranty has to pay for it. cars are mostly designed by accountants, not engineers.



Give it up, your not going to convice me that low compression is the way to go. Many people use low compression sucessfully but its something that I just don't like and think is a good thing

Honda16hb

my motor is already fucked, but I will be using this ---- on my LS block, it's reliable and lots of people have had success with it.

I ran the numbers about 12 or 45 times and I still come up with $61 being less than $245, damn.

MikeJ-2009

Ha ha, even whitey quoted Corky. lol.

I'm sure theres a reason beyond an intercooler that those 400 hp cars run that ----. I'm sure it's not because their cheap asses. On the other hand, how many successfull HMT turbo kits have passed through here without water injection? It's another complication to tune that ---- right, and with it in Kyle's hands, he's bound to ---- everything up. <-- I'll come back and quote myself when he does it.

89dxhunchback

I will admit that water/alcoy injection is just one more thing to figure when tuning, which is why my friend sold me the alcoy injection kit off his GN for $75...

He said I've got:
93oct + alcoy
100oct+ alcoy
straight 93oct.
straight 100oct.
straight race gas

All of which have different boost and timing settings...

He got a fel-pro ( speed-pro ) stand-alone and basiclly gave me the sweet alcoy injection kit ( which he used for many 11sec time slips over a 2.5 year time ).

Gm was looking at using water injection on the GN as an aid to help IC-ing, but found that after ONLY 200K miles the cylinder walls started to "wash out"... There is even a "dummy light" on all buick GNs that say " power injection", that was meant for the water injection system that never made it to production...

You guys are killing me with the constent meantion of IC sprayers, which are not water/alcoy injection...

I have the water sprayers on my civic, and if I ever loose my mind and try to run some 12's on my stock Z6 block, you'd better bet plans would include water injection, AND maybe a really small shot of nitrous...

MikeJ-2009

blah, I ran 17psi on 91 octane, with 3 degrees retard. No need for that ----. I think you guys are trying to make this more complicated than it is.
I doubt kyle is even planning on running 12psi, so I doubt he'll need anything other than the highest octane available and the shittiest intercooler he can find.


One time I ran my turbo with oil only, and I left the water cooling unhooked , even though fords came with the water lines hooked up. :P

Reddy

I definitely take offense to that. Corky Bell didn't invent that saying much like he's not the all mighty God of turbocharging. and also Stupidmode, you ran 17psi with 91 and 3 degree retard, since you never tried water injection you might have been able to run a 1 degree retard. But you'll never know becuase your stubborness is more retarted that your timing :P



Also, many kits passed through here with only FMU's, many kits passed through here without intercoolers, ect. Just becuase its not known to most people doesn't mean its not a good thing. Water injection is VERY popular with superchargers that can't run intercoolers

MikeJ-2009

Ok, on my next project I'm gonna run A/C injection. It will cool the intook charge just fine. Then on the project after that, I'm gonna put my charge pipes in the freezer every night and then install them ever morning so I don't have to run an intercooler.

Wow, this is fun. I wonder if we can think of a way to replace the $80 turbo, cause that's expensive too. Maybe we can use a stolen hairdryer from a salon to turbo our cars.

(am I done now?)

Hmmm, I wonder if it would be cheaper to buy an intercom speaker and a microphone instead of a blow off valve. Depending on the volume you could achieve, the microphone/speaker combo might be able to make more noise than the bov for a couple less dollars.