uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

ok, so i chipped my ecu yesterday, did a real good job soldering, no cold joints or anything... but with the new chip (stock p06 program with uberdata) it gave a CEL and when i tried to rev it it dropped about 500rpm b4 it revved, and sounded wimpy... cut j1 and back to normal... im thinking it might be something with the willem burner, when i set it to AT29C256 it brought up a dialog box that said pin 3 <==> pin 31. what does that mean? i'm only using a 28pin chip... the burner verified a good burn to the chip.

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

You have to jumper 2 pins to work correctly as I have read.

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unsure... i know there's 2 capacitors and 1 resistor, plus a jumper. j1 is the only jumper i know of...

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

no, not on the ecu, he's talking about on the burner ;) put a jumper wire in the zif socket on the burner from pin 3 (first pin of the 28 pin chip, 3rd pin of the actual zif socket b/c the burner has a 32 pin socket), going to pin 31, which is the pin on the zif socket right after the last pin of the chip.

the zif socket is numbered like below, so just put a jumper between 3 and 31 after you put the chip in the burner then close the lever, then hit 'id check' icon at the top of the software to make sure it reads the chip as a 29c.


top of zif socket where lever is located....
1 32
2 31
3 30
4 29
5 28
6 27
7 26
8 25
9 24
10 23
11 22
12 21
13 20
14 19
15 18
16 17

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

right, i set the jumper on the burner, hit chip id and it identified it as an Amtel AT28/29C256. and i set the dip socket toggle switches, i think it was like 1-4off,5-8on,9on,10off,11on,12off or something to that extent. it might be that i followed the website's instructions to use the PCB3 option in the software instead of using Willem. mine doesn't have the LED chip setting w/ the black buttons, i have to manually set the jumper.

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and no, i just reread and understood what u were saying, i wasnt setting a jumper wire from the pin 3 to pin 31... i didnt understand that part. i'll try this tomorrow, hopefully i can get it up and running, can't wait to put my project together. i'm gonna wire up a switch to that ecu jumper, its a pita to resolder that jumper every time i wanna switch from stock to uberdata program.

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i'm gonna do a write up on how to use the willem burner this afternoon, i see a lot of the same questions pertaining to them which scares some people away from getting one, which is a shame b/c it's a great unit at a great price :-\

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i look forward to reading it ;) i'm so new to the ecu chipping stuff, i need all the help i can get.

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which version of the software are you using? 097ja is the newest, but has problems with the 29c256 chips, i always use 097g

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for uberdata i'm running 1.66, i tried 1.7 but it was real buggy, gave me ridiculous values when opening stock ls.bin and then importing p06. is 1.8 better?
and for the willem i'm using whatever version comes on the cd that came with it. can u link me to a newer version i should be using?

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

okay some updates w/ pics to help u guys out... im hoping they'll clear a lot up for yaz.

first, my willem burner setup, am i doing it right having the paper clip to jump pin 3 to pin 31?
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/9577/willem17cx.jpg

http://img164.exs.cx/img164/1586/willemboard1of.jpg
here's what my burner is reading in the program
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/6489/burnprog2vm.jpg

next up, my soldering, i used a lot of flux to keep them clean and flowing, and did a lil more solder to ensure a good connection. all connections check out for conductivity. j1 is cut right now, i'm running on stock program.
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/2143/topboard5nw.jpg

http://img164.exs.cx/img164/4979/solder2cv.jpg

and on a separate note, just making sure- this is what my stock p06 maps (240cc) should look like right? when i scale it for 450s, these values are roughly halved. (im gonna get it working with 240's b4 i put 450s in there) using uberdata 1.66
http://img164.exs.cx/img164/6162/uberfuel7fj.jpg

http://img164.exs.cx/img164/6833/uberign3jy.jpg

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nobody knows how to fix this? :'(
but i can't check which cel it is, i installed a gsr gauge cluster and when i connect the pin to do the ecu code check, it stays a solid CEL... maybe cuz its an obd2 cluster wired up for obd1? i dunno...

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how did you make your basemap? did you open the 'stock gsr' map, then import 'p06-import only' on top of that? then just uncheck 'knock sensor', anything with the word 'vtec' and check the 'vtp disable box'?? also, have you tried burning just the 'stock p06' .bin file without opening it in uberdata? it won't start the car b/c you have 450's in, but you should be able to turn the key to the 'acc' position to see if your cel goes away. if the cel goes away, you know there is just a mistake in the basemap you're trying to make in uber. if the cel is still present, you have some bad soldering somewhere, possibly burnt the 74hc chip when soldering it in, or are nto getting something right with your burner. set the board type to 'willem' in your software, i never use the 'pcb3' setting.

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

yes, i burned the stock p06 and it still gave me a CEL... and i haven't put the 450's in yet, i'm waiting til i can get uberdata working right before i attempt that.

the way i was doing it was opening the "Stock LS.bin" and then importing p06 and clicking "p06.bin". i'm gonna try setting it to the willem pcb setting, do i still need to jump pin 3 to pin 31 with this setting?

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also, how do i get rid of the bog-down that happens when i try to rev it, people were telling me this is normal. is it just messing with the tps enrich? what values are good to use for this, currently it's set to 100. or is this just something that will go away when i get up to normal operating temperature?

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don't even open the p06 file in uberdata at all! go straight to the chip burner and load the 'p06' .bin from the uberdata directory WITHOUT EVEN OPENING IT IN UBERDATA. if that works, you know you're soldering and chip burning went good and you're doing something wrong in the uberdata problem.

use the gsr 'stock gsr' .bin like i said above, then import the 'p06-import only' on top of the gsr map and check and uncheck all the boxes like i said.

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tried burning stock p06 program without opening in uberdata, and doing the burner with the settings u use in your write-up (which is nice btw), using willem pcb setting instead of pcb3 and reversing the dip settings as u do in your write-up, still getting a solid CEL. i don't know what to do, i might just have to go get an afc and a missing link, as much as i hate to go that route... :'(
still only getting a solid light when connecting the OBD1 check circuit. doesnt even blink once to signify OBD1.

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

you're only getting the cel when jumping the service connector (blue plug)? and the car runs fine? it will be fine to run it, my boys ecu does that for some reason, i've never looked in to it, but i know it runs the car fine........ :D

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no, im getting a constant CEL, it's always on, and doesn't blink when i pin the service connector. also i've noticed that it drops about 500rpms when i try to rev it up, i've heard this is normal though(?). any way to get rid of this? otherwise it SEEMS to be running alright, i really don't wanna trust myself with the CEL coming on though. i wouldn't wanna put the injectors in and not have the right maps for it...

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well, if you burnt the .bin without even opening it in uberdata, it's not a mistake you made in uberdata, and the fact that the car even starts up and runs with the chip implies that the burner has programmed the data on to the chip, you have no cel's when you cut j1 and return it to stock, so guess what that leaves?? you messed up soldering somewhere, no questions about it ;)

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okay, this is weird... try explaining this... with j1 attached (verified the continuity of the pin after soldering it back together), the car will run with no chip in the ZIF socket, just gives the same effects as running with the uberchip in, solid CEL and dropping 500rpms when revving... WTF?

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

wow, i've never tried that ??? is your burner 'verifying' the burn and saying 'device programmed ok' at the end?

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yup, and the hexadecimal values appear to be okay... it almost has to be something with my soldering, maybe i burned the 74whatever IC?

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Basically the ECU is taking one column (the last column) of the stock maps and running your car from them when you do this...basically does this as well when you have a solid CEL, even with J1 connected, even with no eprom in the socket

This is what an OBD0 ECU does and I believe its what the OBD1 ECU does as well.

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teg, do you think i could mail you my at29c256 chip and have u burn a stock p06 program on it at your own convenience? it'd fit in an envelope, and i'll paypal u $1 to cover postage sending it back. just to find out if it's a burner or uber problem as opposed to a soldering or ecu problem. if it still doesn't work i'll go get a p28 to work on, maybe send it to greg moates to have him chip it.

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yeah, i don't have pay pal though, so you can just put the money in an envelope with the chip if you want. do you have another to drive with? you can send me your whole ecu/chip if you want and i'll look over it for you if you want. send me a pm

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I find it funny that you ask for free help from one of the resident OBD1 ECU chippers on here and in the same sentence say that if it doesnt work you are going to send a P28 to Moates to be chipped.

If the guy goes and helps you out for free (does you a favor taking up HIS time) and it doesnt work it would be a total loser move to then send your next ECU to his(our) competition.

Gheyness at its best right thur... :-\

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i was kind of thinking the same thing, but then i thought, maybe he doesn't know that i chip ecu's so i dropped him a little hint that i could fix his ecu or chip a new one for him ;) if he still wanted to send an ecu to craig, then i would tell him to have craig make him a basemap, oh wait, craig doesn't offer that :-X

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Hrm...its too bad people look at price and not all the features & support that you and I offer :)

But know he knows now, so hopefully I hooked you up 8)

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hey man, i've sent quite a few people your way, speaking of, check your pm ;)

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ooh sorry bout that projekteg, i feel embarrased :-[. didnt realize that u offered ecu chipping service too, i wouldn't have said that if i knew. yeah i can see why that could be taken badly, tellin u that if u can't fix it i'm taking it to your competitor. not cool of me. well now that i know better, yeah i'm gonna try to find me a p06 to drive on, i doubt i'll be able to though and don't wanna buy a new one unless mine is fried. i really can't spend too much money right now, i just got in a wreck so i gotta get a whole new front end for my car. its drivable, but i really dont wanna drive around on it long, looks like ----. i'll pm u about that right now.

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if the ecu runs with the jumper cut, it's not fried, just a problem somewhere with the soldering more than likely, usually pretty easy to fix. when people send me fucked up ecu's, i just desolder everything and clean them up, then solder in all new components (i don't replace the zif, theres no real way you can ---- that up, but i do desolder/resolder it to make sure the joints are good). i've repaired a lot more fucked up ---- than yours ;) if you can find another ecu, you can send me yours and i'll look at it, try one of my burns to see if it was just a bad burn, and then go from there.

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

Armed with a soldering iron, solder and a volt/ohm meter, fixing them takes just poking around. You can usually tell with experience where the problem is as soon as you open them up.

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

i just got my bud from GA Tech to desolder everything and re-solder it, which was a PITA, and we're still getting the exact same symptoms. :-\ which means by process of elimination, it's either the 74HC373 chip or the AT29C256 chip.

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i don't have much experience :P half the time all the soldering looks like ----, and i'm the type of person that likes things to look neat if i'm even gonna claim any part of, and it takes like 10 minutes to desoler and solder back in a couple capacitor's, resistor, and latch.

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by experience I mean, you could tell that there is a lifted trace on the board and someone else can't. Some people have a hell of a time trying to desolder the 28-pin dip. What a pain in the ass. and end up lifting like 5 traces in the process.

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my friend's in the engineering program at GA Tech, i don't know anybody who knows more about what they're talking about than he does. he said all his soldering was done right, and i trust him over anybody else's opinion in a situation like this. he also has a civic, part of the reason he agreed to do it was because he wanted to see what kinda results u could get out of uberdata... now if we could just get it working...

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

Did you try a different chip? Or another 20 pin latch?

Re:uberdata problem- bogging and cel
 

if you send me the chip, i'll try it out in my car before i even touch it, that way, if there was a problem with it in my car too, then we would know for sure it was the chip. honestly, that soldering didn't look too good in my opinion, way too much solder on the joints, which means he had to hold the heat on the objects longer, which means more of a chance to fry something :-\

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yeah, that was my work, i figured it'd be better to use more solder and have better connections... his job looks way better than mine... but if I fried it when i did it, then it still wouldn't work after he did it.