z6 swap in 91 crx dont run SHES ALIVE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

So I swapped in a Z6 into my 91 Si put on my turbo setup and cant get it to start. This is my setup

Z6 motor
A6 intake mani
450 injectors
Golden Eagle Vacumn Mani
T3 turbo
tial wastegate
dsm bov
innercooled
A6 wire harness
A6 dizzy
PM6 chipped by turbo edit


I checked all my wireing vacumn lines grounds. I cant figure it out. It cranks but wont actually start. Any help WILL be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

-ShoPow

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I tried a different dizzy and that didnt work either. I know im getting fuel cause i can smell it. Any help please. Thanks.

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checked for spark?
tried stock ECU?

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tried stock crx wire harness.... dont use that az6 harness

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I tried my chipped ecu and a stock ecu. I used the wiring harness from my crx cause i didnt have the one for the motor.

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is it cranking but not starting...check your firing order, i had this problem over the weekend, tried everything, turns out, i had the spark plug wires switched around...LOL. anyways, make sure that is all set right, then also, pull a spark plug out put it back into the wire, (not back inside the hole) then hold a screwdriver to the end of the plug, and have someone crank it, it should shoot a spark, or shock the hell out of you. eitherway, it will tell you, there is spark. if there is spark, its not your dizzy, and if you say you have fuel, i would think its the firing order from there or your timing. its one of those 2 things.

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Grounds,grounds,grounds :) check them

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Its cranking strong just wont actually start.

I see puffs of smoke coming out of the exhaust sometimes.

Ive checked the grounds like 5 thousand times.

Made sure the fireing order is right.

Tried messing with ignition timing by moving the dizzy around.

The exhaust manifold is getting warm alittle so I know its trying to start.

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Trying some starting fluid stuff. Spray it in the tb and give it a turn. If it starts you have a fuel problem

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Not to be a dick but does shooting a fireball out of my open downpipe mean I have a fuel problem? I can smell gas really strong when i crank on it for a while. Ill give it shot though.

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is your map scaled for the 450s i had mine scaled for 390s once and it didnt start...fixed the map and it worked fine

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It is scaled for 450's. Will try another bin to see what happens. Thanks for the help so far. Keep it coming. Thanks

ShoPow

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look man, i just had this same exact problem this weekend. ask projekteg. i almost garantee that you have your firing order messed up. make sure you have spark. if you are getting fuel, and air, you dont have spark, or you dont have spark in the right order. read what i wrote and check it again.

in the manual, it shows the firing order as #1 plug on the bottom 6:00 position, no it goes in the 9:00 position on the dizzy. then it goes around from there...i almost promise this is what you are doing wrong.

i checked everything 1000 times...used starting fluid, the ---- blew back in my face and singed a ---- load of hair off my face, everything cought on fire in the engine bay, it was horrible, then i called one of my other buddies, he came down and laughed at me, changed my spark plug wires around, and the bitch started right up. :-X the haynes manual is a little confusing when it cones to the firing order, trust me, i know.

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i had the same problem when in did a swap, the picture they have of the dizzy in the manual is different then the actual way it should be, i was confused as hell, replaced the coil, rotor, cap, wires, everything, then i just decided to rotate the wires on the cap and BAAM! anyways, it's prolly flooded as hell now, so take the plugs out and turn it over to get the fuel out, then touch the plucs to something metal to see if they're all firing, if they are, it's your firing order, or you're getting way too much fuel for some reason and it's killing the spark. your starting symptoms sounds exactly what was happening to me though, little coughs here and there but wouldn't actually start.

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here. put your ---- like this...

looking at the dizzy from the side...

3
1 4
2

and not....(as it looks in haynes)

4
3 2
1

and your firing order on the motor is 4-3-2-1 just like that.

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are u getting spark?

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we already asked that, and recieved no response from him.

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I thik you are trying to hard...take a step back, and trouble shoot where we are telling you to...it should start, unless your bin is really really fucked up.

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Sorry been at work all day. I just bought new plugs and wires . My firing order is set the way it is on the pic you loaded. Gonna go mess with it now for a while and let you guys know whats up. I appreciate all the help. Thanks.

Chris

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and test to see if you have spark.

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if u are not getting spark at the end of your plugs. Back up and go to your coil. find the signal wire from the ecu that ungrounds the coil to spark the plug. hook up a test light to B+ and when u crank it should flash if this hppens problem is eather coil wires or cap rotor. if you dont get a signal it is eather a sensor or bad ecu or broken wire somwhere back there

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Put in new plugs and wires. Still no start.

Sprayed starter fluid in the ic piping. No start.

Couldnt check for spark cause I was all by my self and no matter how much my mom complains about my car she wont help out for 5 mins. But what could be causing it if both my dizzys dont work. Ive been running the chipped ecu for the past 6 months so I dont think that theres anything wrong with that. I used the crx engine harness so I didnt not have to change any wiring.

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We checked for spark yesterday, and yes there is...at least on the #1 plug.

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I'd check the timing. I know when I did my headgasket the timing wasn't all that far off, and the car wouldn't start

Timing
Fuel
Spark
Compression


That's all the elements you'll need to fire. One of them isn't there.

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The igntion timing by the dizzy or the by the timing belt?

When I the cam is straight up and I look through the notch on the timing belt cover It lines up perfectly with the one notch thats all by itself. Thats TDC right?

Ive tried adjusting the dizzy back and forth but it still didnt start.

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did you mark the dizzy when you pulled it?

i sitll think you have your spark plug wire in the wrong spot. you would still have spark, and you could move the dizzy and your timing could be dead on but if your firing order is off..you would be fucked.

take pictures and post...

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Im about to leave for work but Ill try to get my friend to take a picture since my smartcard reader is messed up. I appreciate all the help. Thanks.

ShoPow

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take pictures of ones just like posted above...

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ok..maybe when you pulled the dist you're not linging it all back up properly.

set the motor to #1 TDC compression stroke. then put the dist on and make sure it's aligned to the #1 terminal. bolt everything back down and try starting it.

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I didn't even think it was possible to put the D series distributor on the wrong way. ??? I thought they all had offset contacts? Mine won't go in wrong.......
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not the mounting ears, but the rotor. maybe the rotor spun 180* off when u went to re-install it?

er.. or can that not happen?

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it cant happen. you can spin the rotor in the dizzy till it lines up with the cam, and it will slide in like....well. it only goes in one way.

-the dizzy only goes in one way, but if he doesnt set it exactly the way it was its gonna be off on timing, which would be a reason it wont start. did he mark it when he took it out?

-look at my post about how to install the plug wires into the dizzy. he might also have these in wrong, it can easly be confused with the way the manual shows...

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I believe not. Theres three notches, then about an inch or so down is where the one mark is. You want the crank on the middle of the three notches.

I I I I

^ that one is tdc.

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I didnt not mark the dizzy when i took it off cause it was already pulled. But on my zc the motor still ran no matter how advanced or retarded I made it. My dizzy only goes into the head one way.

The way I hooked my plugs back up are like this
3
1 4
2

When I have my cam gear lined up perfectly with the two notches lined up with the top of the head and I look down through the notch and arrow on the timing belt cover I see the single notch all by it self. Like this


I I I I
^ that is the one I see on my crank pully.

I just got home from work and was unable to get my friend over with his camera but he said he'll take pics tomorrow.

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Ok, that could be the problem. Put it where I say, now!!!! ;D

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ummmm....
but yeah, that could be a problem. :-\

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NONONO...
the middle one is just the mark of stock base ig timing mark..
you need to set it to the white mark which seats right next to a black mark..whihc means he did it right already.

I I I I
^ ^
this is the right one.
this one is being use to check stock IG timing

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check compression.
make sure fuel pump is priming

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Donald, I bet you a headlock your wrong. :P