suspension advice needed
10-15-2008, 01:28 PM
#33
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Re: suspension advice needed
some of you guys like to spend wayy to much ------ money on shiny name brand ----.
Cheap/ Fast suspension. the way you should setup
Get a shitty Ebay kit, Toss the springs, use the sleeves
KYB-GR2's are crap , toss them too and look for a used set of Koni's (or new) or tokico's... GR-2's and other non adjustable "performance" shocks are BS.
www.stockcarproducts.com or other stock car parts suppliers sell springs in any rate you want. the issue I have with the GR stuff is that they send you some shitty , short *** springs. You lower the car too much and it just destroys the shocks when you run stock hats. Run a 8-10" spring depending on application
Street car I would run 350-75 Front , and 400-425 rear. Keep the ------ about 50 Lbs. on a FWD car the REAR NEEDS TO BE STIFFER
Alignment
Front Camber 2.0-2.25 deg
Front toe zero
Rear Camber 1.75-2.0
Rear Toe 1/16 in total
Toss the front sway bar or get a HF front bar.
Set the rears 1 click from full hard , and the fronts 1 click from full soft.
Extend the hats 1" so you increase travel.
I ran my 2002 DX civic which was otherwise bone stock with this setup and was always top of the heap in my class, running shitty azenis when others had Hoosiers.
Skip the JDM, 9000 way adjustable shocks. Unless you get the car on a suspension dyno and are hardcore (ie sponsored) it's just 9000 ways to set it all up wrong.
just my 2 cents from 15 years of autocrossing.
Cheap/ Fast suspension. the way you should setup
Get a shitty Ebay kit, Toss the springs, use the sleeves
KYB-GR2's are crap , toss them too and look for a used set of Koni's (or new) or tokico's... GR-2's and other non adjustable "performance" shocks are BS.
www.stockcarproducts.com or other stock car parts suppliers sell springs in any rate you want. the issue I have with the GR stuff is that they send you some shitty , short *** springs. You lower the car too much and it just destroys the shocks when you run stock hats. Run a 8-10" spring depending on application
Street car I would run 350-75 Front , and 400-425 rear. Keep the ------ about 50 Lbs. on a FWD car the REAR NEEDS TO BE STIFFER
Alignment
Front Camber 2.0-2.25 deg
Front toe zero
Rear Camber 1.75-2.0
Rear Toe 1/16 in total
Toss the front sway bar or get a HF front bar.
Set the rears 1 click from full hard , and the fronts 1 click from full soft.
Extend the hats 1" so you increase travel.
I ran my 2002 DX civic which was otherwise bone stock with this setup and was always top of the heap in my class, running shitty azenis when others had Hoosiers.
Skip the JDM, 9000 way adjustable shocks. Unless you get the car on a suspension dyno and are hardcore (ie sponsored) it's just 9000 ways to set it all up wrong.
just my 2 cents from 15 years of autocrossing.
10-15-2008, 01:37 PM
#34
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Re: suspension advice needed
For daily driver duty I still recommend 275/225 rates and GR2s. They are a little iffy on the 275 rate, but are not oversprung.
Those alignment settings may have worked well for your '02, but the earlier 88-00 cars have a different suspension design. -1.5 degrees camber MAX and then you have to sling every corner as hard as possible to avoid chewing up the insides of the tires - that's only street car if you are 18 and about to lose your license due to a pile of moving violations.
Most people want a stiffer bar as the front end rolling around atrociously is great for the sub-40 mph game, but causes the car to get squirrelly at higher speeds and if sudden highway maneuvers are needed. Keep in mind this is a turbo-oriented site, so these things are important.
There's quite a lot of variables here, actually.
Those alignment settings may have worked well for your '02, but the earlier 88-00 cars have a different suspension design. -1.5 degrees camber MAX and then you have to sling every corner as hard as possible to avoid chewing up the insides of the tires - that's only street car if you are 18 and about to lose your license due to a pile of moving violations.
Most people want a stiffer bar as the front end rolling around atrociously is great for the sub-40 mph game, but causes the car to get squirrelly at higher speeds and if sudden highway maneuvers are needed. Keep in mind this is a turbo-oriented site, so these things are important.
There's quite a lot of variables here, actually.
10-15-2008, 02:03 PM
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Re: suspension advice needed
I run the h&r springs on my crx. But they came off of a 91 teg, I also used the 91's struts. Only lowered the car about 1" I called up h&r and they said the spring rateds for the teg was 300f and 260r, then I also put on the 91 teg front swaybay. Over all it handles pretty good.
10-16-2008, 01:40 AM
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Re: suspension advice needed
Re: the cheap ebay coilovers... They may be just fine, but in my experience you get what you pay for with cheap stuff like that. I'm too afraid of getting something that doesn't do what it is supposed to, or breaking in 5000 miles, then I have to buy something else anyway.
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