leed

Im not saying anything, because I have no first hand exp. with Mitsu. I could really care less.

Was just passing on the opinion of my exchange students. Fun to talk about cars with them and what they think. They say that is the common perception of Mitsu in Japan.

Dr.Boost

I'll go ahead and say DSM is a step down from Honda, and yes I have been in a 2g DSM and I don't even understand why they even have back seats. You can't even seat a 4 year old in the back of one, let alone an adult. I have also tore an Eclipse completey apart and I can tell you that they aren't put together very well. In my honest opinion of course, but its not like I am going to convince you that Honda is better than DSM, and its not like you are going to convince me that DSM is better than Honda. It's a matter of personal taste and thats all there is to it.
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SqwirlyCivic

I'm pretty sure we had this DSM vs. Honda discussion about a month ago in the General Forum.... anyways, I agree with Collente as far as interiors go. My Civic feels like an american car with the distant shifter location. Of all cars I have ever been in, My favorite driver-centered interior has got to be the 95-99 DSM. It's just everything I could ask for. As far as the backseat goes, it's a SPORTS CAR. Granted, some are slow as all get out, but they weren't meant for 4-5 people like a Civic. The backseat is just wishful thinking. And I can see how they'd be a step down from Honda in terms of design and reliability, but not so nearly a step down as Honda--->Domestic. Let's face it, Japanese car makers just have higher standards (thankfully).

Dr.Boost

I don't believe Honda is a step down from domestic. I don't even think DSM is a step down from domestic. I will agree with you on the driver placement in the DSM. I think the shifter is in the perfect spot and angle. Leaning over towards the passenger side to shift is a downer in my Civic. :P As for everyday drivablilty in the "real world" I would say Honda wins the gold when compared to DSM.
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Collente

You know... I was expecting a flame war (not my intent!)... But you guys really do kick ***. Anyway, I agree in terms or reliability the Honda owns... Nothing can really match besides toyota and thats a given. Anyway the only thing that I will have to disagree with is the way the DSM is put together. My 2g is a pain in the *** to do much on because it is so well put together. Talk about details.... Anyway. Happy boostin honda boys and cant wait till I get the chance to run one

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z6CRX

DSM=crankwalk

Honda=reliably

ill go ahead and say honda is much better car than DSM, DSM motors are junk

AgentMurdoc

+1 for Honda. I'll have to agree that Honda motors are better than DSM. For example my cousin has a 98 eclipse, ---- looks nice but is ----. It's broken down sooooo many times. While on the other hand my civic for example had only a quart of oil in it, ran and abused that ---- like a cheap ----- for a few weeks before I discovered that there was only a quart of oil . Oh also a friend of mine with a 95 eclipse gs, broke oh so many times too. But I will admit that the DSM has a nice kick, but then again my cousin with a 95 accord auto v6 (only modificatiom a super duper racing intake :P) kept up with a the 95 eclipse 5spd. The nose of the accord was at about the door/fender of the eclipse. Pretty close race. The eclipse was half gutted and had a few mods. While the accord had a full interior, spare tire and me in the car. So... me likes Honda

SolFastD16

95' and up gs and rs motors are chrysler 2.0 dohc. at 140hp . only gst and gsx comes with the nice 4g63 engines. 89-94 all most all 4g63 Me i enjoy driving both my honda and my 91 eclipse GSX

sk8rmike

95-97 DSM's crankwalk the most often. 89-92/93 or so pretty much NEVER do. also, z6crx...you are a ------- idiot. you made a broad *** generalization, and you are making the assumption of "all DSM's crankwalk" because people have blown the issue up. really, it doesnt happen quite as often as everyone makes it out to be. also, there is a HUGE difference between unreliability and high maintenance. DSM's, i will say, are high maintenance. you HAVE to catch problems early, or it's just a chain reaction in these motors. i will say that honda motors were assembled better, as far as tolerances and clearances go...but honda is very exacting when they put their motors together. thats why they last for so many miles.

another thing is that making power breaks parts. DSM's are easily tuneable to reach 350+ whp. thats on the stock bottom end. (which i have heard is good up to around 450 hp) of course a 350+ hp car is going to break more parts than a god damn 200 hp torqueless honda motor. c'mon, thats a given. also, since turbocharged cars have so many more details to go into as far as tuning goes, there is much more room for error.

for closing i will say this. i have owned my 95 del sol for a couple years now and have loved it. me and my fiancee just bought her a 97 GSX. i must say, the interior in the 2g is MUCH nicer than my del sol interior IMO (except for the leather seats, i dont like leather) and the car is a god damn BLAST to drive. i love it. after i had driven it for a couple days i didnt even want to drive the sol anymore. also, as soon as i get the sol boosted im going to sell it and buy myself a 1g awd talon. ---- honda, im buying something actually fast. dont get me wrong, there are fast honda's out there on the street...but what is going to be faster...something with power TO THE REAR WHEELS and an iron block that can hold a ton of power with very little internal upgrading, or a FWD honda that you have to build out to hold anything over 300-350 hp?

red91sit

Lets not argue over this, sure the 4g63 may have had crankwalk but the b-20-21 has shitty sleeves. It's all a matter of taste. The DSM's may have lil backseats but so does the prelude.

And as a matter of reliability i bet anybody with a turbo awd honda is less reliable than a gsr. lol but you can't compare them they were never designed to go after the same customers.