Took the rex to the track Thursday. Pics of slips added nignogs.
 

First run was aginst my friend with a built ls in an eg coupe. I ran a 9.5 @ 76mph. With like a .83x R/T. Second run was against a 5.0 mustang. R/t was better, but I missed second like 3 times and ended up with a 10.0 @ 78. Had a lot of wheel ho on that run. Last run of the night was against another crx with a b16 and a 60 shot actuated by the tps. I ran a 9.4 @ 79 on that run and he rana 9.7. I fucked my alignment up bad thursday at the track. Both front tires are sticking outward when I'm going straight. Making subtle turns on the interstate caused the front passenger tire to squeal. :l

This was the first time I have ever raced at a track. I dont think it was too bad. I need some traction bars though before I go back. what else do you guys suggest for my wheel ho issue? Should I put the hasport race mount inserts in my mounts instead of the ones they stick in them normally? If you guys want, I'll post the time slips for you.

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Post the slips. IMO you should be trapping a LOT higher.

Wheel hop is the devil. Get some Energy Suspension of Prothane bushings for your LCAs, make sure your ball joints don't have any slop, and either drop the money on a set of radius rods or you can get decent results with $12 worth of Energy Suspension radius rod bushings.

The super stiff 80A durometer inserts are all well and good, and needed past a certain level, but I don't think you're at that level yet.

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you tink es radius bushings would help? I guess I could try that before gettign a set of l-con traction bars or something. I'll post the slips in a bit....

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They were a noticeable improvement for me, but I had a minor amount of slop elsewhere in the suspension and the wheelhop/damage ------ like wildfire. Every ball joint, both wheel bearings, and one of my hubs = destroyed.

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----. Well, I just replaced all ball joints and front hub bearings about 5 or 6 months ago. HEres the slips in order of race...


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This is at 7 psi, right?

Are you lifting off the gas pedal when shifting?

If you could drop those 60' to 2.0, you'd be a solid mid-high 8... but those trap speeds ???

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First race was 7 psi. Other 2 were at 9-ish. yea, I Was lifting off the gas. I think next time I go, I'll do what you told me on tuning day. But this was my first itme ever, so I'll learn...

on the launch I would get some wheel hop and the wheels would spin a bit then grab and the rpm would just fall. it was gay. :-X I was catchin up to that damn mustang though. I wish I didnt miss second. that was shitty. I think I missed it cuz I was raggin my buddy who missed second on his race. lol, Karma pwns me

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that first race was against me...i have the video chris

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sweet. Send it my way man. your friend was totally right abt the toe being messed up. you should see this ----. :8

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oh yea. Joey, dont forget I have an LS tranny on my b16 :'( Thats prolly why its not as fast as you think it should be...I'm in teh market for a b17 tranny...

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you should be better then that, im doin 8.4's in the 1/8th and im running an ls turbo on 7 pounds in an heavy ass eg si. just get alot of seat time and it will help out

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i was running 9.0 @85 mph but that was spinning entirely thru the first 2 gears and with like a 2.4 60 ft on the accord on 13psi, i think you should be running faster than that also.

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Bone stock Integra LS, on street tires, in the hands of talented drivers can hit flat 10's in the 1/8th. I've seen it happen with a 93 DA, and a 98 DB, with my own eyes.

1) Wheel hop is baaad. Not just traction, but busted diff/axles. I like you enough that I'd be forced to come off one of my 90-91 LS boxes, if you broke one of yours, and I don't want to do that. Do us both a favor and beef up your bushings/suspension.

2) A little spin is okay, but (wheelhop aside) the bogging is what kills your launch. As long as the engine isn't revving everywhere and you're practically sitting still, a little wheelspin is *good*. Like Bone said, best tire grip is at 10% wheelspin.

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I found a HUGE improvement in wheel hop by filling the engine mounts. Definitly worth the $5 and weekend that it took.

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It's a B-swapped ED chassis, krusty. The motor mounts are HASport, and solid. Probably 68A durometer street rubber, but solider than stock mounts of any year.

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your right, hehe. I missed the "another b16 crx" part.

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uhh, what about the other half of the races?

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What's goin on here?

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That was my best run of the day my first time ever at the track.
Stock internals B16
Intake
2.25" side exit exhaust
Zdyne Swap ECU
2000lbs HF CRX
Y1 tranny

Not a bad time for a N/A B16 CRX but it definately had a lot more left in it since I couldn't hook up in 1st or 2nd gear at all since I was running on some heavy ass motegi 16" wheels with cumhoe 712 low profile tires.

I don't really understand why you didn't run much faster than me...could have something to do with the tranny and wheelhop. I guess this puts to rest the longer gears are better for turbo myth, atleast in this case.

Get some more seat time in, you should be doing better than that. :y

I just re-read your post and a B16 w/ a 60 shot ran 9.7? :l Maybe I've got a freak motor. :1

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I was trapping only 72.46mph on my automatic Saab 9000 when I ran a 9.6 1/8
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hmm. I'm gonna adjust my toe tomorrow and buy myself some radius rod bushings soon and see if that helps. I'll also only run with the street tires cold from now on. No warming up at all. If I do need a new tranny, I'll make sure to ask you joey :-* I'm gonna revuild the turbo before I run it again too. Get a damn good rebuild from blaastperformance.com for $150 shipped with a ceramic coated center section.. O0

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You dragged a slushbox 9000? You are a god....

There are a couple of guys who have done auto to manual conversions of their 9000s over at SaabCentral.com...

Saab's suck from a standing start, but they'll eat anything from a roll....

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Yeah they don't have a lot of traction and they're very heavy. Mine was stock except I modified the factory installed boost controller to give more boost and full boost independant on revs or gears. When I got the car it was an absolute dog off the line because the boost controller didn't give you full boost in first gear, probably to protect the drivetrain.
I used some old winter tires on the drag strip, and I launched by pushing my left foot on the brake pedal as hard as I possibly could and gave it full throttle, waiting until it was up to 3000rpm and with plenty of boost, released the pedal and it went off with moderate wheelspin. Only problem is that it would take a few seconds to actually spool up with the stock engine management like that which meant I needed to start spooling while I was still staging to actually get the boost up before the green light came. I'm sure I could've gotten it to spool a lot faster by putting megasquirt in it and using the launch control, but it was never a project car. I gave the car to my little brother and he made it eat driveshafts like there was no tomorrow.
A friend of mine has a manual 9000, he ran 12.1 at 115mph in it with a T3/T4 hybrid and two stock intercoolers welded together + Autronic SMC and MT slicks. The car now has a GT37 but he hasn't had the time to finish mapping it and actually lay down some times with that turbo.

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I like your idea about the winter tires. I have some that can qualify as slicks!

I'm putting a 2.3L 9000 engine into my NG900, with a GT3071R, new fuel pump, 630cc injectors, etc...Should be good for 400 whp but I'm preparing to need several trannies a year. I might take it to the track in New Hampshire this summer...

You're right about the boost limitation. Saab's are boost limited in first and second gears because they create insane anounts of torque. You end up getting wheelspin -- or breaking ----. With my current set up, I'm a little over 300 ft/lbs wtq so I need to take it easy from a standing start....

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we're going again thursday if u wanna ride

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Post it :y

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dunno how lol

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upload it to streetfire.net

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i didn't bring my cam to work so i'll do it tomorrow

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Mario, you suck at life.

Video by tomorrow, or die!!

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lol i'll see what i can do...my cam doesn't zoom in so you can't see the ending of the race that good nor can u see the time board...but he has the slips...

jd u suck at life...tune this sunday or die!

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mid/high 9s is a typical stock turbo honda motor time because of the one tire fire bog and/or wheel spin launches.

i was running 9.3s @ 80mph in my integra with 2.4 60 foots, and at the end of the 1/4 i was trapping about 103 and running 14 flat

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he had wheel hop like crazy

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im willing to bet you get worse traction with bald radials than with radials with new tread

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It'll be after 4 pm, or after the first of the month; it looks like I'm tuning one in Raleigh the last weekend of this month.

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dang...busy man lol...well i'm about to send some money off for something...but after the first of the month sounds pretty good...i guess i can get by with the s-afc and all for now

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They actually did tests on braking distance of different tires in different conditions in Top Gear in 1990 or 1991.
No ABS, just slamming on the brakes.
On dry the new tire was the worst, the little worn tire was miles better and the bald tire was the best.
In the wet it was the other way around.
It makes sense. In the dry you get best grip by laying a big solid contact patch down on the road. In wet it is the weight you put down per square unit that is the biggest factor in making grip, and you need groves in the tires to dissipate the water out so you don't float on it as easily. Rally cars use really narrow tires when they're racing in anything else than dry tarmac.

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when radials are that low the cords are about to pop out and there is barely any rubber left

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When your thread goes away you still have about 4mm of rubber left usually.

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I wouldn't feel safe riding on 4mm of rubber. Especially not at the drag strip. That's a death wish, seriously.

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You're fine until the wires start sticking out. You do lose grip before you get to the wire, as the rubber compound may change when the thread is completely gone