run your car with water
07-09-2008, 01:47 AM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by rsmith2786
Put the science aside. Why aren't the big companies doing it? I work for GE Energy / Oil & Gas and the literally spend BILLIONS on "research" but somehow they missed this? There are so many companies that would be on this faster than J. Davis on orange chicken its not even funny. If it worked the guy would be selling $5,000 setups instead of $50 plans. It just doesn't make sense. I am stubborn and question everything but this is something i would love to be proved wrong about.
Originally Posted by rsmith2786
Basically what i am getting as is nothing "runs" on water.
Originally Posted by xenocron
But something about having the Hindenburg under the hood of my car scares me 
07-09-2008, 10:54 PM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by Joseph Davis
You missed the Hindenburg thread two weeks ago, huh? Hydrogen wasn't the problem.
These ideas are stupid. The idea behind them is simple. My engine rotates and powers all sorts of inefficient devices like your AC so why not have it spin a generator and turn water into hydrogen. Well, it's because it takes a lot of power to turn hydrogen into water. Its either going to take forever to make they hydrogen gas or its going to take too much power. The end result is an inevitable loss in efficiency and overall stupidity. Not to mention having our cars run on water is just about the worst idea in the world. We need water more than we need a lot of stuff. It is bad enough we waste as much water as we do. Now if we start to ------- use it to run our cars, forget about it. We will just completely ---- ourselves in the future. If you don't think water is a resource we should be worried about, go take a look at Lake Mead and the various other lakes in the South West. They are drying out quickly because people in that area need plush grass for their golfing, IN THE ------- DESERT!
Also one last thing. Hydrogen car =! this. Hydrogen cars run on liquid hydrogen which is then converted into electricity via a fuel cell. The fuel cell then runs an electric motor which propels your car. This process is also stupid inefficient as again, it takes a TON of energy to make liquid hydrogen. A couple of years ago Honda or Toyota gave a family a hydrogen car to drive around. It took a full field of solar panels in Southern California a week to make enough power for a weeks worth of fuel. That same amount of power could have easily powered a small block. Again, hydrogen is not the answer. At least not until we figure out a way to make cheap, clean electricity. Once that happens, we won't care so much about how inefficient it is to make hydrogen.
07-09-2008, 11:49 PM
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Re: run your car with water
Originally Posted by bigwig
It wasn't? If you believe they actually coated the Hindenburg in thermite, you are retarded. It would have made it thousands of pounds heavier to cover it in thermite vs the iron based paint they actually used. The paint helped the ignition but the hydrogen absolutely caused the massive burn. The canvas like material they used was plenty flammable enough as is
These ideas are stupid. The idea behind them is simple. My engine rotates and powers all sorts of inefficient devices like your AC so why not have it spin a generator and turn water into hydrogen. Well, it's because it takes a lot of power to turn hydrogen into water. Its either going to take forever to make they hydrogen gas or its going to take too much power. The end result is an inevitable loss in efficiency and overall stupidity. Not to mention having our cars run on water is just about the worst idea in the world. We need water more than we need a lot of stuff. It is bad enough we waste as much water as we do. Now if we start to ------- use it to run our cars, forget about it. We will just completely ---- ourselves in the future. If you don't think water is a resource we should be worried about, go take a look at Lake Mead and the various other lakes in the South West. They are drying out quickly because people in that area need plush grass for their golfing, IN THE ------- DESERT!
Also one last thing. Hydrogen car =! this. Hydrogen cars run on liquid hydrogen which is then converted into electricity via a fuel cell. The fuel cell then runs an electric motor which propels your car. This process is also stupid inefficient as again, it takes a TON of energy to make liquid hydrogen. A couple of years ago Honda or Toyota gave a family a hydrogen car to drive around. It took a full field of solar panels in Southern California a week to make enough power for a weeks worth of fuel. That same amount of power could have easily powered a small block. Again, hydrogen is not the answer. At least not until we figure out a way to make cheap, clean electricity. Once that happens, we won't care so much about how inefficient it is to make hydrogen.
These ideas are stupid. The idea behind them is simple. My engine rotates and powers all sorts of inefficient devices like your AC so why not have it spin a generator and turn water into hydrogen. Well, it's because it takes a lot of power to turn hydrogen into water. Its either going to take forever to make they hydrogen gas or its going to take too much power. The end result is an inevitable loss in efficiency and overall stupidity. Not to mention having our cars run on water is just about the worst idea in the world. We need water more than we need a lot of stuff. It is bad enough we waste as much water as we do. Now if we start to ------- use it to run our cars, forget about it. We will just completely ---- ourselves in the future. If you don't think water is a resource we should be worried about, go take a look at Lake Mead and the various other lakes in the South West. They are drying out quickly because people in that area need plush grass for their golfing, IN THE ------- DESERT!
Also one last thing. Hydrogen car =! this. Hydrogen cars run on liquid hydrogen which is then converted into electricity via a fuel cell. The fuel cell then runs an electric motor which propels your car. This process is also stupid inefficient as again, it takes a TON of energy to make liquid hydrogen. A couple of years ago Honda or Toyota gave a family a hydrogen car to drive around. It took a full field of solar panels in Southern California a week to make enough power for a weeks worth of fuel. That same amount of power could have easily powered a small block. Again, hydrogen is not the answer. At least not until we figure out a way to make cheap, clean electricity. Once that happens, we won't care so much about how inefficient it is to make hydrogen.
The only way i see hydrogen being a viable in a passenger vehicle is if it is made from cheap nuclear power during periods of low demand like at night. You guys need to start thinking of hydrogen as more of a battery than a fuel source.
07-10-2008, 12:20 AM
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Re: run your car with water
Hydrogen is an idea that might work in 50 years or maybe never. Right now there are plenty of solutions available that actually work. The easiest working model to have working well in the next 10 years is continuing to use our hybrid technology but making some minor changes. First and foremost, making them able to be plugged in. If I drive 20 miles a day, I shouldn't need to use any fuel. I should be able to run off of battery only and just recharge at night. We should only use fuel when we NEED it, ie when you are driving distances or can't charge up. The second thing we need to do is change our fuel source. Ethanol is a great choice. Ethanol from corn is a terrible choice. We should be only making ethanol from plants where we have a POSITIVE yeild rather than a negative yeild which is the current situation with corn. Sugar, switch grass, and a number of other plants all work well to do this.
Changing our way of making electricity, ie using nuclear, geothermal, solar, wind, ect and making smart ethanol would easily buy us 50+ years until we can figure out hydrogen or whatever would work best. Hydrogen in theory is great because of the zero emissions and all of that crap, but having zero emissions but burning a ---- ton of coal to make the hydrogen is not a wise choice. There is no reason why this stuff has to be so difficult. There are solutions that work all around the world that could easily work for us. We have so many natural resources at our finger tips and arguably the best human resources available. Talking about powering millions of cars with hydrogen in 10 years is just such a complete joke that it makes my brain hurt.
Changing our way of making electricity, ie using nuclear, geothermal, solar, wind, ect and making smart ethanol would easily buy us 50+ years until we can figure out hydrogen or whatever would work best. Hydrogen in theory is great because of the zero emissions and all of that crap, but having zero emissions but burning a ---- ton of coal to make the hydrogen is not a wise choice. There is no reason why this stuff has to be so difficult. There are solutions that work all around the world that could easily work for us. We have so many natural resources at our finger tips and arguably the best human resources available. Talking about powering millions of cars with hydrogen in 10 years is just such a complete joke that it makes my brain hurt.
07-10-2008, 01:19 AM
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Re: run your car with water
Y'all forgetting the most impotant thing........we stupid amerikanzas like HP!!!
until there is a fuel(whatever it is) that can propel our cars like good ol' petroleum there isn' t going to be a switch.
until there is a fuel(whatever it is) that can propel our cars like good ol' petroleum there isn' t going to be a switch.
07-11-2008, 12:25 AM
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Re: run your car with water
this is pretty cool they are running a car on hho
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vikkM...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vikkM...eature=related
