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well after getting assraped at the machine shop, i will soon have everything i need to slap the bitch back together

things i need are here and i'd gladly pay for someone to bring em

Cherry picker (may be able to borrow one localy but not sure yet)
flywheel bolt for Z6
oil pickup bolt for Z6
piston ring compressor
Timeing light

other then that im 99% sure im set

im setting the date for saturday of next week, i know its pretty close to july 4th and may present problems for some, but its gotta happen then with or without help, so i'd really appriate any help that comes, if anyone wants to bring hamburger or anything to have instead of pizza, i have a BBQ and you can cook it or i can

anyone close enough to come is welcome

im located about 50 miles west of norfolk in Nebraska, anyone who wants to come pm me and i'll give you my addy


its all goin down in a two car garage with a couch and a freezer to chill the beer, i'll bring my comp up to play some music and ----

plenty of parking for 10+ people outside


if a mod could sticky this that would be awsome, its my first actual build and i'd really prefer some help instead of goin completely solo

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Go solo so you can make yourself go crazy with all the probelms and want to burn down the car

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too late for that :X i seriously considered selling it as is after i got the motor back because of all the set backs, but after this much money going into it i'll be damned if i sell it anytime soon, im gonna get my money outta this bitch one way or antoher lol

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All i can say if you do it solo atleast have a buddy for an hour or two and take your time

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if i go solo i wont have anyone here to help, that's why i posted this up, i'd rather have someone whos done at least one.. all i've gone this far into is a 2nd gen talon

i'll be going as slow as i can to make sure everything is right, i dont have the cash to do it again

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which basically translates in to about 73% - there's always going to be that stupid crap you find out later that will cause you to be running to the parts store about 5 times.

have fun though, i'm at my happiest when I'm putting a car back together. Sometimes I think I like working on my car more than driving it.

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nope, those parts listed are the only ones im missing, i've tripple checked everything else and my bearings and gaskets come in tuesday ;D

and i dont mind working on my car, but i prefer driveing it over crap like this :l

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No, you're missing a fuckton of parts. You have to be, since you don't know the car inside and out, which is why you are semi-worried and want help.

chris is being nice for once, not chewing on your ass, and telling it like it is. *You* took your car apart, *you* need to put it back together. Only a handful of people know their Honduhs well enough to assemble one out of a bucket of jumbled bolts. 99.5% of the cheesedick ----------ers you invite over to lend a hand are like as not to ---- something on various levels ranging from inconsequential to significant.

Get a couple guys over midday, take a break, eat some pizza, and ask for advice if you have any Q's at that point. It's a good time for pictures + internet Q's, too. When you go out for the food you can decend en masse on the parts store or junkyard for last minute small bits, and generally harass any stray women you come across. It's good fun. Then, go back to work and put your own car together... if one or two guys sticks around to help, fine, but *you* call the shots and check over their work.

See where I'm coming from?

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i understand where you guys are comeing from, and i do feel like i know my car well enough to do it, but i dont have 1st hand experience at it so i just wanted some help incase i come across something i dont know what to do, i'll be doing 95% of any work done on my car, 100% if i feel i can get through it

just because i havent rebuilt it before doesnt mean i dont know what goes into building it, i've spent a long time planning a build and have 75% of everything i want, i ran out of money for the rest and decided to go with stock components or something close enough to make me happy

i wanted a couple spare hands around incase i make a mistake or they know a way to do something better, basicly like insurence, if i start to ---- up someone can say "that dont go like that dumbshit"

i have everything accounted for but the two bolts i stripped, a timeing light, a cherry picker and a piston ring compressor

everything else is new, headstuds, oil and water pump, timeing belt, turbo, gaskets, bearings, clutch and flywheel, WBO2, etc

once again i appriate the input, and like i said its going together with or without help, but something this important i just want help "just incase"

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I won't let other people work on my car. Its not that I don't trust them......actually yes it is.

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thats why no mechanic has touched any car i've owned unless it's absolutely nessacary for close 3 years or more

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Most mechanic's who arent the 21 year old kid are actually pretty skilled but the 55 dollar an hour rate is a major turn off


Ya Im actually goin be nice

Organize everything and make sure you ahve plenty of 10,12,14,17mm sockets,wrenches etc


When i first started doin swaps back in the 90's in my teen years I was very unoragnized and did the good ole throw everything around the garage Ill figure it out later. Well later meant 2 holes in the wall from craftsman sockets and a set of kicked in fenders on my civic


Dont do the Ill get it done in a day. If your strugglinw ith somethin take a break eat a candy bar and go at it with a clear head


Now back to bein a jackass

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I'm comming up on putting my motor back in, and I must say between Joseph Davis and Chris...this is great info.

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lol thanks again, i've been trying to be semi orginized, since i spent close to $400 on tools i've kept them in order still in there box, i've put bolts and nuts and other things in seperate boxs with what they go with so i wont get too frustrated

i'd like it done in a day, but im not gonna be unrealistic about it and get all pissed off of it isnt, a day longer to do the job right is priceless compared to ------- something up

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oh ya clean all your grounds and dont forgot them also

Double check wiring always

and tps vs firewall


firewall always wins

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lol i'll remember the tps thing

im still cleaning up my wireing from it getting wrapped around the axle, it should be done by this weekend, i cant figure out why my ecu wont get power so im hopeing its just my main relay again, i got pounded at the machine shop for more then he told me so a new one is out :l i'll have to resolder mine before the rebuild

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ya i learned that the hard way. but i think mine hit a truck bed. while moving my motor from one place to anotherits not the 55 dollar and hour that turns off everyone. its the 55$ a hour and they screw up that pisses them off.

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so then why would you let some people on hmt that you dont know help you build a motor?

i just rebuilt my first singlecam, its not hard. take your time, dont force anything. if something seems like its wrong, STOP and check it. then when it looks good, check it again! i must have checked my bearings with plastigauge 8+ times. have a good quality torque wrench on hand, plus a repair manual with torque specs would be nice. keep everything uberclean! use lots of assembly lube.

get a piston ring compressor from autozone for 10 bucks, they work fine.

good luck man

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3/4 of the people close enough to me to come i've met before and they seem pretty cool, like i said i'd be doing at least 95% of the work on my car

i spent about $100 on a tourqe wrench so it sure as ---- better be good :X

i've heard certin types of compressors are known for breaking the rings so i want a certin type, i'll be asking if they have it when i go pick up my gaskets in town

only repair manual i have is on my comp but its two complete ones with specs on everything so i should be good

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Haha, chris took a ---- on my chest when I made the post about my install...and yes I was missing a fuckton of parts that in NO WAY did I think I was going to need....there is no logic to the ---- you are going to need on an install/build day. Seriously though, chris made me want to cry. Amazingly the NE guys came through and took care of ---- for me, and I'm still spanking the bitch daily till coolant jets out of the tank.

Good luck with your install, really you just need someone with their engine running, ready to run to w/e store for you. :8

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well the only things like oil, filters, plugs, brake cleaner, shop towels, etc that i dont have im getting when i pick up my gaskets

i've got my moms car i can borrow for a run into town if need be, but i'd like to avoid it because the closest store with any import parts is 50 miles away :l

thanks for the advice guys, i hope it goes smoothly after all the ---- i've gone through to get this far >:(

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seriously take off the throttle body before dropping the engine in, i've done 3 swaps and broke the TPS twice, the other time the plug got cracked. it's only four bolts..... :y

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im putting the head assembly in seperate unless i have enough help so i can rotate the motor onto the tranny easily enough

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TPS come, and TPS go... but mis-plugging IAT and purge solenoid plugs on OBD1 cars usually results in fried IAT, fried ECU, or a combo of the two. I have spare TPS, but for some reason I can't keep IAT or ECUs in hand... unless you want to count the seventeen crispy Q31'd ECUs in my parts bins.

She may seal fine short term, but if you've ever purged coolant into the reso you can consider the headgasket as good as blown. You are living on borrowed time. Are you guys as super ------- hot up there as we are?? You can set up Crome to yank extra timing as IATs rise up... I was logging 120 degree IATs on the Black Car saturday night, and she usually hits 10 degrees over ambient at most any other time of the year.

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This is when I ask, what you're smokin. Plugging the Purge (or IACV since they are the same) plug into the IAT will not USUALLY ---- it up. The resistance of a "cold" IAT is around the 3K area and a 12volt signal across 3K does not have enough current to mess the IAT up. It will however, fry if you swap that ---- when the IAT is nice and toasty like say above 100 degrees F. So normally this does nothing and the time when it usually gets swapped aroung is when the engine is cold.


JD is right though, it does happen.

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I'm smoking a basic electronics text.

No, they aren't the same. At all.

IACV gets a pulsed ground. Purge solenoid gets a steady one that has a certain amount of current flow guaranteed due to the nature of a saturated transistor... IAT is a fraction of a watt rated piece that normally dictates it's own current consumption based on a 5vref, and the ECU just monitors voltage dropped across it passively. This is why purge<-->IAT swappage likes to fry the IAT. IACV<-->IAT might, but I see a much smaller chance of doing so due to the nature of the beast, and that IAT live for a minute sometimes mis-plugged to purge.

The seven times I was standing there when some n00b did it, after being warned, the engine was dead cold. Four of those times the engine hadn't been started in weeks to years... re-read about how transistors draw current without regard to voltage.

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Never done the purge into the iat but will keep an eye for it now


Jd always bringin new info

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Actually, no, I'm just here to impress 17-23 y/old men. ::)

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Sorry, I meant that the plugs are the same.


A saturated transistor only draws as much current as the voltage and any external resistors placed across CE

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:)

I wonder what happens to an IAT when you start dropping current it wasn't designed for across it? Snowball lowered resistance higher amperage effect?

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what abot 25 year olds who act like a child

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It depends on how many truckers they kiss before they get to me.

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Ya I was hard on ya but just was spitting fact


You need to have more than you think parts wise,money wise,time wise



Especially the first time swap,turbo, builds in general


Its just the way it is


Cutting corners always catches up to and when its your dd than it becomes a real issue

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How are you going to do that? With the magical current forcer fairy. 12v across 3K is only 4ma = 1/20 watt. It's when the IAT sensor gets warmer and the resistance drops when you get up into the watts.

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Step 1: Go out to your car.

Step 2: Swap IAT and purge solenoid plugs

Step 3: Cycle the key on for fifteen seconds

Step 4: Come back and argue

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:)

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penis

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good luck man and like veryone else said thake youre time and honestly if it were me if i didnt have a few bills in the bank to buy more parts if needed i probley wouldnt start doing this

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good luck and punch yourself in the dick

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only car i have so i dont have a choice, its been down for over two and a half weeks already
and i ------- hate being without a car, but im going to take it slow so i dont ---- anything up

but like i've said i have every single part i need, there wont be any runs to the parts store except when i need to pickup my gaskets when there delivered

its not like im installing a brand new turbo setup and will need more parts then i could think of, im just replaceing my old turbo and rebuilding the motor