nonvtec

So the administration killed one it's supporters on purpose, you're right Random that's pretty sick! Just kidding.

J-SMITH69

yeap totally man, they (including former solicitor general ted olsen) were so commited to launching a missile into the pentagon he was willing to sacrafice his own wife :P

JonDouglas

Ahh yes, exactly as I expected.

Man, I really do hope that you are right, but there are soo many unanswered questions.

I have another question for you guys. Do you really fell that we should give up our lirberties a little here and alittle there. Have you ever heard the saying,"Give them an inch and they'll take a mile."

Do you really believe that anybody with as much power as the highest ranking officials in DC are not corrupt and pursuing their own agenda.

Leaders throughout history have abused the people under them. It's a fact look at history. Staalin, Hitler, Moa, Nero, Mussolini., etc.

J-SMITH69

name a liberty we've given up since 2001.

you're comparing a gwb to communist and facist dictators? last time i checked he'll be gone when his term is over. even comparing gw to hitler/stallin/muss. you lose all credability and it seems like you are just grasping for straws

bush has an agenda, its a conservitive minded agenda for the country, thats how he was elected, twice... if a liberal gets elected... they will have a liberal agenda im sure. althought president bush is hardly a traditional conservitive.

id really really really like to know how bush is profiting from his presidency. he didnt make much money last year. he must have it hovering over his private island in black helicopters

JonDouglas

What lirberties have we given up, well your right most of us wouldn't know whether our liberties have been infinged upon because guess what, they don't have to tell us whether they have eavesdropping or not.


Conxervative minded agenda huh.

Expandind and creating new goverment agencies.

Creation of new laws.

Privitizing sectors of Social Security.

Stricter gun control.

Open borders.

Free trade.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberalism

Neoliberalism

See main article Neoliberalism.

Neoliberalism is an economic ideology rather than a broader political ideology. The swing away from government action in the 1970s led to the introduction of this term, which refers to a program of reducing trade barriers and internal market restrictions, while using government power to enforce opening of foreign markets. This is strongly opposed by economic liberals, who favor a free market and free trade. Neoliberalism accepts a certain degree of government involvement in the domestic economy, particularly a central bank with the power to print fiat money. It also favors an interventionist military. While neoliberalism is sometimes described as overlapping with Thatcherism, economists as diverse as Joseph Stiglitz and Milton Friedman have been described — by others — as "neoliberal". This economic agenda is not necessarily combined with a liberal agenda in politics: neoliberals often do not subscribe to individual liberty on ethical issues or in sexual mores. An extreme example was the Pinochet regime in Chile, but some also classify Ronald Reagan, Margaret Thatcher and even Tony Blair and Gerhard Schröder as being neo-liberal.

It should be noted that, in the 1990s, many social democratic parties adopted 'neoliberal' economic policies such as privatization of industry and open markets, much to the dismay of many of their own voters. This has led these parties to become de facto neoliberal, and has often resulted in a drastic loss of popular support. For example, critics to the left of the German Social Democratic Party and the British Labour Party accuse them of pursuing neoliberal policies by refusing to renationalise industry. As a result of this, much support for these parties has been lost to the Christian Democratic Union and the Liberal Democrats, respectively. This 'adopting of the wolves clothes' has led Labour in the UK to spectacular electoral success. However tensions between the executive and Labour's backbenches is a consistent issue.

Sometimes 'Neoliberalism' is used as a catch-all term for the anti-socialist reaction which swept through some countries during the period between the 70s and 90s. 'Neoliberalism' in the form of Thatcher, Reagan, and Pinochet claimed to move from a bureacratic welfare-based society toward a meritocracy acting in the interests of business. In actuality, these governments cut funding for education and taxed income more heavily than wealth, which increased the influence of big business and the upper class.

Some conservatives see themselves as the true inheritors of classical liberalism. Jonah Goldberg of National Review argues that "most conservatives are closer to classical liberals than a lot of Reason-libertarians" because conservatives want to preserve some institutions that they see as needed for liberty[8]. Further confusing the classification of liberalism and conservatism is that some conservatives claim liberal values as their own.


So, since we are at wa we should just,"Shut up," as Bill Orielly has said soo many times before. Don't ask questions people. Questions are dangerous.

J-SMITH69

stricter gun control where?
open borders dont keep up on the news much?
creating new laws?? i wasnt aware that the president creates laws himself?

free trade? would be part of the "conservitive agenda"
and privatizing SS? would be part of the "conservitive agenda"

as for expanding and creating government agencies? there are lots of reasons for the dept of homeland security, as for the rest yuo'd have to refresh my brain on them .

95BoostedSol

Man... Its funny that you have something to say about each and every comment, but how can you say that everything being mentioned is hearsay or lies without proof to back your own case?

Can you prove to me that project northwoods didn't exist? can you dispute previously de-classified government documents that explain in detail plans by the CIA to attack its own people and to set up several mock crashes, slam planes in to buildings, and many other terrorist attacks in order to go to war with Cuba. These documents prove that we have a government that is capable and willing to do horrible things to its own people in order to see that their plans succeed.

How about the many books that you can pick up in barnes and noble by former CIA and FBI agents that all have similar stories about how their superiors ordered them to find reasons to get in to Iraq, as well as stories about the planning of these training operations that took place on 9/11. These missions had been flagged because it was known that they would cause a problem with the speed at which a fighter plane could be sent out. Some how, the plans to have all of our air support busy during these attacks continued, and planes were able to fly in to all these areas to do the damage that they did.

You have to be a ------- moron to say without some uncertainty, that every single detail of 9/11 makes perfect sense and is not questionable........

MikeJ-2009

Bush is in no way a conservative, and that's that.
If the borders weren't open, there wouldn't be 12 million illegals here.
Liberals blame the governement for all their problems, and base their agenda around the same governement.
Dirty sandnigglets highjacked the planes, just deal with it.
Condoliza Rice isn't on welfare, so the white man isn't holding anybody down, you're just worthless.

(you're welcome)

JonDouglas

x2

J-SMITH69

lots of hot air, no sustenance.

project "northwoods" did exist but never happend... there are a ton of kooky plans that "exist" at all times.

im sure there is a plan right now to nuke canada but does it mean anything?